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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Some of us actually do pay for services rendered. Please don't lump everyone who is uninsured in one big loser category of people who steal from others.


    Yes.


    Yes.


    Yes. (though $200 is a bit ****ing pricey, never seen a doc who charged that much for just an office visit)


    Not true. Many people who are uninsured most certainly *could* afford insurance. We CHOOSE not to have it.


    Yay for theft. Go pat yourself on the back for stealing from others. Awesome.

    Not everyone is so low class though. Some people actually DO have a conscience, and that includes many of the uninsured.


    They can.


    Oh please. An office visit doesn't cost anywhere near that and neither do antibiotics.

    The minor emergency room costs $120, cash on the barrelhead; an office visit is comparable. You then pay additionally for a strep-test and any other lab fees. it's going to run you at least $160-$180, more likely around 200 bucks.
    Good antibiotics like Zythromax (Z-Pac) are around $70; most often doctors will prescribe additional drugs such as a decongestant and hydrocodone syrup for a sore throat.
    It all ends up adding up to around $200 just for the drugs.
    My experience with the ER is, if you simply ask- not even give a sob story, just ask- they'll give you samples, and then all the drugs are free.
    I've had ER docs give me full courses of antibiotics for free, in little individual sample packs.
    All you have to do is say, "How much is this prescription going to cost, because I really don't have any money", and they'll bust out a box of free samples.

    How much do you think an office visit and prescription drugs cost?


    By the way, I don't consider any of this "theft", because health care is my right.
    It's everyone's right.

    For the past couple of years, I've had insurance, and you know what? I can't afford to go to the doctor with it, because it's a $40 co-pay for an office visit, and then $15 for prescriptions, and I basically never have that much cash on hand to blow.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post

    By the way, I don't consider any of this "theft", because health care is my right.
    It's everyone's right.
    your house/apartment/condo/estate/place where you sleep at night/etc is my right.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by DarkWizard12 View Post
    your house/apartment/condo/estate/place where you sleep at night/etc is my right.
    That's a very good analogy, because of course there's only one doctor in the entire world, and he only gets to see one patient, ever.
    So when I see him, that means I'm robbing you (and everyone else) of your chance to ever go to the doctor.

    Oops. Wait. That's not a good analogy, because there's actually plenty of health care to go round.
    It's just a matter of distribution.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    The main issue among others I have with this bill is that health care premiums will still be very expensive. Nothing (from what I have gathered) is contained in this bill to:

    a. increase competition amongst insurers (such as allowing out of state insurers) which would naturally lower rates;
    b. remove unnecessary mandates on what I have in my plan (I'd like a simple plan that only cover things like major illness, accidents and disease - no need for coverage on infertility treatments or sex-change operations, etc.);
    c. reform tort law concerning malpractice litigation so that doctor expenses were reduced, thus lowering the cost of my premium;
    d. create incentives for doctors and hospitals to focus on quality care instead of quantity care, such as through fixed fees;
    e. create incentives for the individual to focus on his own quality of health through nutrition, exercise and less trips to the doctor for the consequences of poor health. I'd like to be rewarded for my optimum BMI with a tax break.

    My preference is that this would be a state matter and each state would tailor their own universal health care to it's citizens.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Most people opposed to the bill don't even know what it is.
    Let's change that to "Most people don't even know what it is.


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Originally Posted by USA-1
    Most people opposed to the bill don't even know what it is.
    Most people for the bill don't know what is in it and that Includes your girlfriend Pelosi who said "We will pass the bill now and find out what is in it later."
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Anyone with insomnia that wants a cure start reading that damn thing .Two pages and its nap time.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Rather, it's the beginning: of a healthier life, a life with less needless suffering, for many people I know- 30% of adults uninsured in my state! Think about it! One out of three. And we're not even the worst. Other states are worse off.

    Society will benefit if people are able to get treatment for their chronic and acute illnesses before they become permanently disabled from them.
    That will help the economy, not hurt it.

    Every single one of us gets sick. Someday, each of us will get so sick that we won't be able to get better again, and we'll die.
    This is true no matter how well we try to take care of ourselves.
    People need to be able to go to the doctor. Everyone gets sick.
    One out of three adults not having access to medical care is unacceptable.
    No wonder our economy is in the tank.
    I wonder what % of that 30% of people who are uninsured in your state do not have insurance because they choose not to. I am not talking about those rich few that can pay all the cost themselves. I am talking about those who have other priorites such as a big screen tv with cable a new car instead of a used one, eating out instead of cooking at home, or how much they spend on thier monthly cell phone bill. My brother inlaw is a perfect example he makes less money than me but drives a new car and has great toys that he is always buying and is always going on fun trips. The way I see it is the main problem is not the cost of health care (while I agree it does need reform) the problem is the way Americans live paycheck to paycheck and buy everthing with credit. I have no problems with people who want to live like that just dont ask me to foot the bill for you when the check comes. It is called personal responsibility and as a country we seem to have forgot what that means.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    The main issue among others I have with this bill is that health care premiums will still be very expensive. Nothing (from what I have gathered) is contained in this bill to:

    a. increase competition amongst insurers (such as allowing out of state insurers) which would naturally lower rates;
    b. remove unnecessary mandates on what I have in my plan (I'd like a simple plan that only cover things like major illness, accidents and disease - no need for coverage on infertility treatments or sex-change operations, etc.);
    c. reform tort law concerning malpractice litigation so that doctor expenses were reduced, thus lowering the cost of my premium;
    d. create incentives for doctors and hospitals to focus on quality care instead of quantity care, such as through fixed fees;
    e. create incentives for the individual to focus on his own quality of health through nutrition, exercise and less trips to the doctor for the consequences of poor health. I'd like to be rewarded for my optimum BMI with a tax break.

    My preference is that this would be a state matter and each state would tailor their own universal health care to it's citizens.
    You know, if Congressional Republicans had given an argument like this instead of "pull the plug on grandma", they might have been successful in shutting this monstrosity down.

    Good arguments.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Insurance reform does not equal healthcare. If you have a heart attack and go to the ER, the hospital must treat you regardless of your plan. This reform took place to further enslave the country before the federal government and to push a damaging agenda. It's government take over of healthcare, which means more power to the federal government and less to the people.
    there have been numerous examples recited during the congressional debate about persons being denied the healthcare they needed because they were without insurance. that absence of health insurance, that resulting denial of health care, led to their demise
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