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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    This is the way I see things playing out if this bill gets finalized and signed:
    First, insurance companies take a hit and show losses. Second, all the other companies that have money diversified such as the rest of the tech sector, manufacturing, etc. will have to eat those losses and their stock values will decline, meaning investors, many of whom are private citizens who may even be in that 40% and diminishing percentage of people who actually supported this piece of ****. Of course, a third thing will happen to further beat down the market, there was a capitol gains increase written into the bill, which will further strain the market in that people won't be able to as easily absorb losses via tax increases, so the middle class will have to liquidate and the income gap will further increase. All this and our healthcare will decline too.

    Way to go "party of the people" The screwheads in the Democratic party are working on being the most inept legislating body in human history. But by all means, UHC supporters, please feel good about yourselves.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Failing to "save us money" is hardly tantamount to destroying America, putting the final nail in the coffin of democracy, or any of the other crazy hyperbole being spewed on this thread.
    Every other country in the industrialized world has something similar to this in place, and has for years.
    We're far behind the times, from a humanitarian perspective.
    It's high time we got with the program.
    I know your a particularly smart person and we haven't debated this issue but I think we should definitely considered the lifestyles those people lead before we compare them to the U.S.

    Overall they are homogeneous demographically, lead healthy life styles and many other things that we are/do not.

    To change the course of costs, we have to change the personal health habits of people.
    That is the real preventative medicine, not doctors.
    Nothing proposed/passed will do this.

    Edit: I'm not a gloom and doomer.
    I don't think it will destroy the country, just make it less financially stable.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    This is the way I see things playing out if this bill gets finalized and signed:
    First, insurance companies take a hit and show losses. Second, all the other companies that have money diversified such as the rest of the tech sector, manufacturing, etc. will have to eat those losses and their stock values will decline, meaning investors, many of whom are private citizens who may even be in that 40% and diminishing percentage of people who actually supported this piece of ****. Of course, a third thing will happen to further beat down the market, there was a capitol gains increase written into the bill, which will further strain the market in that people won't be able to as easily absorb losses via tax increases, so the middle class will have to liquidate and the income gap will further increase. All this and our healthcare will decline too.

    Way to go "party of the people" The screwheads in the Democratic party are working on being the most inept legislating body in human history. But by all means, UHC supporters, please feel good about yourselves.
    No, most of this bill won't start rolling out until 2014. People will forget.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by 1069 View Post
    Failing to "save us money" is hardly tantamount to destroying America, putting the final nail in the coffin of democracy, or any of the other crazy hyperbole being spewed on this thread.
    Every other country in the industrialized world has something similar to this in place, and has for years.
    We're far behind the times, from a humanitarian perspective.
    It's high time we got with the program.
    Unfortunately, said "program" will be the final nail in America's economic downturn. Hang on to your hats - it is going downhill from here.

    Bully for all of you that got your way - just remember that when the financial **** hits the fan.

    I am all for healthcare reform and believe it's way overdue - but this bill was NOT the way to go about it.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Update 3: the Reconciliation bill has passed. This one will go to the Senate, after Obama signs the Health Care Legislation. If the reconciliation bill then gets 51 or more votes (no filibusters allowed under reconciliation), this bill then supersedes the one that was passed this evening, and becomes law.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Unfortunately, said "program" will be the final nail in America's economic downturn. Hang on to your hats - it is going downhill from here.

    Bully for all of you that got your way - just remember that when the financial **** hits the fan.

    I am all for healthcare reform and believe it's way overdue - but this bill was NOT the way to go about it.
    And what will you say, if the economic upturn continues and progresses, and all the "doom and gloom' was for naught?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheGirlNextDoor View Post
    Unfortunately, said "program" will be the final nail in America's economic downturn. Hang on to your hats - it is going downhill from here.

    Bully for all of you that got your way - just remember that when the financial **** hits the fan.

    I am all for healthcare reform and believe it's way overdue - but this bill was NOT the way to go about it.
    Well, we could always end the war to pay for it, if the situation's that dire.
    I probably wouldn't die of disappointment if it turned out my son didn't have to go to Afghanistan after all.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Well, this vote does settle one thing - Whether or not the Great Recession will end up being a double dipper. Looks that way now.


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    There is no proof either way, you have none that it will make it more expensive or less expensive.
    There is absolute proof that this thing will increase cost, the CBO scores have already predicted deficits with incomplete data, and by that I mean there were more proposals not released to them expected to further projections towards more cost. As well, CBO numbers are almost always off in a negative way. Hell, even the CBO conceded this will cost more money.
    Health care has been rising every year for how many years? And, it was rising for other reasons not associated with this bill.
    All traceable to government overregulation, this bill increases overregulation.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    No, most of this bill won't start rolling out until 2014. People will forget.
    Not this time I think. The reasons being that their retirement portfolios will never recover and the effects of the rollout will still be stinging, all the conservatives(not necessarily Republicans) would then have to do is keep shoving it in the Democrat party's face.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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