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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The whole thing about this is that no one should be opposed to major health care reform. It's all a matter of what we see reform as being and how we want the government to play a role in that.

    The bill, for the most part, from what I have read is a disaster waiting to be enacted. Now that's based on less than 200 pages of it being read, but it's not looking good.

    I want to see tort reform.
    I want to see grant structures for more public clinics and urgent cares to keep people out of emergency rooms.
    I want to see the establishment of health courts.
    I like the pre-existing condition reforms.
    I am frightened by the "Health Choices Commissioner" that this bill establishes.
    I am deeply concerned about the fed having real time, total access to individual bank accounts.
    I don't see a true public option and a means to pay for it.
    I don't see a plan to increase the number of doctors to keep pace with the amount of newly insured.

    There's so much wrong with this bill.
    I wrote a nice long post on what I thought of the bill, not going to rehash it. Suffice to say, I got real concerns, but think we had to get something passed. I don't necessarily agree with all your conclusions, but at least it's from a educated position, and you are not going way overboard with the rhetoric.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by chosendudenyc View Post
    Round 45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance. Research released this week in the American Journal of Public Health estimates that 45,000 deaths per year in the United States are associated with the lack of health insurance. If a person is uninsured, "it means you're at mortal risk," said one of the authors, Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.

    45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance - CNN.com
    Absolute bullsh. How could you possible know that? Completely fabricated data.

    Here's one for you. 118,000 people died last year from eating Big Macs. Go ahead, prove me wrong.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Just to make the point, Medicare Part D, 550 billion over ten years, no funding or cuts to pay for it in the bill.
    Prescriptions are out of pocket expenses.
    They should of stayed that way.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how do you massively expand m and m while simultaneously cutting funds half a T?
    1) By marketing them properly, such as this m&m Easter promotion.

    2) By charging enough for them so that you make a profit.

    3) By not charging so much for them so that you can't sell any.

    4) By making sure that they still melt in your mouth and not in your hand.

    5) By not selling them in school lunch programs. That is just politically incorrect.

    6) By having enough TV commercials and advertising.

    7) By offering free tours of the processing plant, in order to generate good will, which translates into more sales.

    8) By the way, where did you get the idea

    9) That a bag of candy

    10) Costs one trillion dollars?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Prescriptions are out of pocket expenses.
    They should of stayed that way.
    Well yeah, I know you don't like it.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    how do YOU feel about this mandate on individuals to go out and buy blue cross else face fines, criminalization and threats of jail?

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    prudent politics?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how do YOU feel about this mandate on individuals to go out and buy blue cross else face fines, criminalization and threats of jail?

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    prudent politics?
    I haven't really seen many people on the left defend that portion of the bill. I also seem to recall Obama dodging that question during the debates with McCain. I personally think it's stupid.

    By the way, I thought it was just a $300 or so fine that people would be charged with.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I haven't really seen many people on the left defend that portion of the bill. I also seem to recall Obama dodging that question during the debates with McCain. I personally think it's stupid.

    By the way, I thought it was just a $300 or so fine that people would be charged with.
    $695, it's cheaper than insurance.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Tort reform is good...but is so overhyped. It is a great talking point and sounds good, but the reality is...it will have very little impact at all on the costs of healthcare.

    I like the ideas of grants for public clinics and urgent cares

    You don't see a true public option because there isn't one. One of the best parts of the bill was taken out through scare tactics despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of people in the United States think it is a good idea.


    As for the # of doctors....I don't know the numbers...but I think there will always be an incentive for people to go to law school. Is there a doctor shortage in this country? I'm not aware of one.
    I know there is a shortage of qualified nurses in many areas and there is a shortage of doctors in rural and economically depressed areas where there is likely to be a swell in teh numbers of newly insured. Further, you can't inject 30 million people into the health system and not increase manpower to go along with it.

    There are a few other things I haven't seen so far but don't know if they will come later in the bill. For one, I don't see any mandates for stream-lining and standardizing our medical records system electronically. That's a huge sticking point with me.

    And the public option was necessary. Right now I see a bill that is going to leave most people with an easy choice: pay the 2% or so of your income in a fine or pay 5 times that amount buying an insurance policy you weren't buying anyway.

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