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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Those 219 "individuals" were not random guys off the street as the use of "individuals" implies, but Representatives, whose job it is in a republic is to represent us.
    they didn't do their jobs, they represented their party at its narrowest and most extreme, openly DEFYING the clearly expressed will of the people

    We elected democrats in 2008. One of the principle planks of their platform was healthcare reform.
    health reform, yes

    the taxing of benefits, no

    the mandate on individuals to buy a product, no

    the cutting of m and m by half a T, no

    the mandates on bankrupt states, no

    the taxes on small biz, large biz, middle and lower classes, PAYROLL, targeted industries...

    the special exemptions and backroom deals for democrat hardheads...

    health reform, yes

    THIS reform, no, not even close

    he had to MORTGAGE his entire presidency to get THIS pig past the super majorities he holds in both HIS houses

    They did their job. If their constituents feel they over-reached in the performance of those duties, they will be replaced.
    yup, just like governor corzine

    Yes, the health care bill was a loser in the polls.
    sure was

    sure is

    However, if you dissected those numbers, you would find about 35% that did not want health care reform by the Democrats. The middle of the road and independent voters were upset that 1) the bill lacked bi-partisan support (which was not going to happen since the Repub strategy was to say "no" and not seriously participate), 2) had all of these "deals" (which we can blame some of Repubs for painting the Democrats into the corner on this in the first place, and 3) this just went on and on and on and on. The left hated the bill because it was so watered down. All said, most of the country wanted health care reform.
    too much explaining, this is a sound bite society, like it or not, politics is in the gut, your sentences are way too long

    Of course, the opposition was never very interested in what the people wanted in the first place, otherwise the public option (60% support just prior to 1st passage) would be the law of the land today.
    the PO was killed by dems

    CNN Political Ticker: All politics, all the time Blog Archive - Democratic senator: Public health insurance option dead - Blogs from CNN.com

    I know the Republicans were looking for a pony in the barn after 2008 and saw that pony in New Jersey and Virginia. Sorry, but electing governors in a state are not indicative of how people feel about the President.
    not when obama goes to trenton and expends all his capital there

    A governor of a state is provincial, not national. Of course, you fail to talk about the one national race where a Democrat one in a district that had not be Democrat in 100 years.
    jersey's a no but ny23's a yes?

    LOL!

    Scott Brown, OTH, is a legitimate expression of discontent. But he is the only one.
    the scott brown phenomenon is nation wide, you'd have to be as tone deaf as our bigeared prez not to hear

    virginia, the most bellwether state in the nation, swung 25 points in 09, the year of obama

    mcdonnell ran on health care, taxes, cap and trade, card check...

    the only local issue in the commonwealth gub was traffic upstate

    jersey, as well, one of our most reliable blue enclaves---25 points gained by REDS in 09

    the scott brown phenom is national

    harry reid, THE LEADER, trails tinhorns by double digits

    the ILLINOIS race is tied, that's OBAMA's seat

    CALIFORNIA---barbara boxer is in a dead heat with carly fiorina (LOL!) and tom campbell (LOLOL!)

    colorado---the governorship and the senate

    russ feingold trails tommy thompson in wisconsin

    BIDEN's SEAT---red, in the bag

    i could go on (and on)

    if you think the revolt is confined to the bay state (LOL!), you're as closed in as the 219

    RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - Senate No Toss Ups

    I for one think the electorate will reward rather than punish the Dems in November. First, its going to be hard to make too much of an issue of success. The Repubs offered nothing
    not true, but even if it were it wouldn't matter

    all we have to do to win back everything is be NOT OBAMA

    why, we could beat him with some unknown COMMUNITY ORGANIZER from utah, or some such

    that's how politics is when the electorate is disgusted and demands change

    ask mccain

    Moreover, the people are tired of hearing about healthcare.
    and yet that's all obama's gonna be talking about in the coming weeks

    Though I expect the Repubs to make electoral gains in 2010, as is custom in an off Presidential election year, the chance of the houses flipping, particularly the Senate are quite remote.
    that's a good point about off year elections, and you're right that picking up 10 senate seats is a tall order

    but if massachusetts can go, any place can

    and that's BEFORE the DEEM and the NUKE and the KICKBACK and the MANDATES and the rude DEFIANCE of mom's carefully scripted instructions...

    barbara boxer is bye bye

    if massachusetts and california can go red, anyone, everyone can

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Read the bill? Why? If they did that they wouldn't have anything to beotch about.
    I am currently reading the bill and I find mister man's analysis to be lacking depth. The government will subsidize your insurance if you are within 133% of the poverty level. That says nothing of the people above that that still can't afford plans due to other factors.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    cnn poll today

    59% oppose the pig

    http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/im...3/22/rel5a.pdf

    own it, dems

    don't blame reds

    she's all yours

    congrats!

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Look at your own numbers. 13% of people who oppose it oppose it because it wasn't liberal enough. You add that to the 39% who approve it and you have 52% of the country wanting either this bill or something that goes further.....certainly not what you are trying to spin this into.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Uh, if you can't afford it, the government will buy some or all of it for you. Read the bill.
    Which means....................

    Drum roll please.....................

    Socialized medicine. It was just disguised as something else, wasn't it?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am currently reading the bill and I find mister man's analysis to be lacking depth. The government will subsidize your insurance if you are within 133% of the poverty level. That says nothing of the people above that that still can't afford plans due to other factors.
    You mean the ones that won't buy insurance so the rest of us pay for their healthcare?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    You mean the ones that won't buy insurance so the rest of us pay for their healthcare?
    I mean the ones who fall a percent above the 133%, the ones already being responsible for their medical care by paying medical bills, the ones with mortgages and putting their kids through school. I mean anyone who doesn't fall within the 133% but still can't afford coverage.

    How about you actually read the bill instead of tossing out hyperemotional talking points like "ZOMGWTF, theymakemepaytheirhealthinsuranceletsgetem!!!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Look at your own numbers. 13% of people who oppose it oppose it because it wasn't liberal enough. You add that to the 39% who approve it and you have 52% of the country wanting either this bill or something that goes further.....certainly not what you are trying to spin this into.
    It's funny how they lump those that oppose it because it doesn't go far enough with the rest of the opposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I mean the ones who fall a percent above the 133%, the ones already being responsible for their medical care by paying medical bills, the ones with mortgages and putting their kids through school. I mean anyone who doesn't fall within the 133% but still can't afford coverage.

    How about you actually read the bill instead of tossing out hyperemotional talking points like "ZOMGWTF, theymakemepaytheirhealthinsuranceletsgetem!!!!!"
    I believe the cap is somewhere around 90k.
    It may be deeper in the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    It's funny how they lump those that oppose it because it doesn't go far enough with the rest of the opposition.
    Well...it makes sense on one level: Do you favor or oppose the bill.

    However, to try to spin it and say that it says something other than what the actual numbers say is nothing but dishonest spin.
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