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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I thought you said the Healthcare bill was dead?
    To be fair... When Prof said health care was dead (many times in many posts), he didn't mean on this plane of reality.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    what you're saying would be true if this bill were passed by and approved by a majority of the american people

    it wasn't

    it was forced thru by 219 individuals, all members of the party in power, who were pressured beyond all measure by their leaders

    we saw what the american people feel about this bill in massachusetts

    in virginia and jersey

    in all the polls

    the american people, by and large, HATE this bill

    and the INTENSITY of their feelings probably even dwarfs their huge numbers

    look at the "supporters" and "defenders" of this bill on THIS VERY THREAD

    even they don't really like it, they support it for the same reasons stupak and half the progressives did---to try to save this presidency from complete defeat

    well, now they own it, and there will be hell to pay

    look how obama today is out trying to SELL this bill, what's that tell you

    he's trying to REVERSE america's perception of obamacare

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...l?hpid=topnews

    in the last month we have gone from a white house which arrogantly IGNORES the clearly expressed will of the american people to a 1600 pennsylvania that outright DEFIES us

    this is all done at the party's peril

    the prez may even get a small, short term bump in his approvals for the perception of his having gotten something done

    but the house and the senate are gonna crash

    and when junior learns that he's suddenly more illegal than jose just because our boy here has no coverage...

    and the long term realization---YOU CANNOT MASSIVELY EXPAND MEDICARE AND MEDICAID WHILE SIMULTAENOUSLY CUTTING BOTH ALREADY OVERSTRAINED ENTITLEMENTS BY HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS

    that's bedrock

    this is what underlies the pessimism even of the obamites on this thread

    THE CLAIM TO FUND TWO THIRDS OF THIS MASSIVE EXPANSION BY RECOVERING WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE IS AN INSULT TO EVERY HALFWAY INTELLIGENT AMERICAN

    the negatives on this bill are huge and PERMANENT

    americans are completely repulsed that their president and congress have so little RESPECT for their sentiments

    i hear a-g-e-n-d-a in your observations about tea and cons, i don't think your remarks particularly apply to this exact situation, tho they might fit better elsewhere

    my take

    party on, progressives

    the house and senate are MINE
    since your take was that the bill was dead, should we consider the claim that the house and senate are yours to be iffy at best?

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    I'd like to get that figured clarified - I was just listening to Rush and he said the figure is 2% of your income or $2,000 a year, which ever is greater. That is all I know about it.
    ē Require U.S. citizens and legal residents to
    have qualifying health coverage. Those without
    coverage pay a tax penalty of the greater of
    $695 per year up to a maximum of three times
    that amount ($2,085) per family or 2.5% of
    household income. The penalty will be phasedin
    according to the following schedule: $95
    in 2014, $325 in 2015, and $695 in 2016 for
    the flat fee or 1.0% of taxable income in 2014,
    2.0% of taxable income in 2015, and 2.5%
    of taxable income in 2016. Beginning after
    2016, the penalty will be increased annually
    by the cost-of-living adjustment. Exemptions
    will be granted for financial hardship,
    religious objections, American Indians, those
    without coverage for less than three months,
    undocumented immigrants, incarcerated
    individuals, those for whom the lowest cost
    plan option exceeds 8% of an individualís
    income, and those with incomes below the
    tax filing threshold (in 2009 the threshold for
    taxpayers under age 65 was $9,350 for singles
    and $18,700 for couples).
    page 2 of this document, provided by another forumite, earlier
    http://www.kff.org/healthreform/uplo...bill_final.pdf
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    FACEBOOK?!!??!?!?
    No, Roland Martin.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    No, Roland Martin.
    Oh well forgive me. If Roland Martin said it on ****ing facebook, well then that just changes everything.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by donc View Post
    Not sustainable? It has been in place since July 28, 1965 and itís not sustainable? Private insurance companies subsidize Medicare!! Surely you jest? Medicare administrative costs are in the 2 percent range, while private insurance companiesí administrative costs is in the 8.9 percent range.
    Administrative costs are meaningless - you're comparing apples to oranges.

    Yes, Medicare is subsidized by private insurance. Medicare dictates how much they pay providers and providers charge private insurers that much more to make up the difference.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh well forgive me. If Roland Martin said it on ****ing facebook, well then that just changes everything.
    I'm convinced.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

    LMR

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh well if it's on ****ing facebook, that just changes everything, doesn't it?
    Seems Sarah Palin is on Facebook, and is running her "non-campaign" from there. But since you just dismissed it as irrelevant, I guess she is too.
    Btw, it's a great grassroots source and vehicle...thought you just might like to know that, as if it would do you any good. LOL>

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh well forgive me. If Roland Martin said it on ****ing facebook, well then that just changes everything.
    More credible (and more intelligent) than any of your Glenn Becks, Limbaughs or Hannitys, that's for damn sure.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    This thing that gets me is even if Dems lose the Senate and much of the House margin later this year, we can't do anything with Obama in office. In 2012, let's say more Dems go, can it be enough to overturn this turd? You better believe that there is no such thing as a filibuster anymore. It's all reconciliation now.

    What will it take to overturn?
    Hyper-partisan talk like that seems to contradict your 'moderate' political stance.

    Let me give an example of a political attack ad if the GOP tries to repeal this...

    A senior citizen is standing at the pharmacy counter, and, as she starts to write a check to pay for her medicine, the price on the register goes way up... as the big bad GOP tries to re-open the medicare donut hole... "The GOP doesn't want grandma to get better..."

    Ad #2 -- a child lies in a hospital bed, bald from chemo... The hospital staff is telling his parents they've just been dropped from coverage because of pre-existing conditions... "The GOP just killed that child... (figuratively) when the re-allowed insurance companies to deny coverage to children..."

    I know there are some on this board and thread who learn their history and poli sci from Glenn Beck... but repealing a bill is a complicated manner, both procedurally and politically... There is language in the bill that makes certain things mandatory for a period of 10 years... it would have to be such a failure... We're talking prohibition-type failure...

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