"God is the name by which I designate all things which cross my path violently and recklessly, all things which alter my plans and intentions, and change the course of my life, for better or for worse."
-C G Jung
What will this lead to when it comes to state legal medical weed? What is next? Drug tests for all Americans?
Is society was made of coral our world would be floral.
Why Republicans fear Obama's Health Care Reform ~
"It is not that they think this legislation is the political kiss of death; it's that, in their hearts, they're terrified that it will be a rousing success.
There is a reason why all of the United States' major economic rivals and trading partners are years ahead of us on this. Their people have embraced the proposition that fundamental healthcare should be part of the social safety net. Indeed, the Republicans recognized this, when they were in power, when adding the prescription drug benefit to Medicare. And they show it in their passionate resistance, these last 12 months, to Obama's proposal to curb Medicare spending.
The Democratic plan is congressional sausage, and has some undeniably unappetizing elements. But, based on the experience of the rest of the industrial world, I think we have begun a transition to a government-regulated, privately administered healthcare system in which affordable and universal healthcare is a given. There will be a base of care, that everyone can get, and if you want to spend more for Cadillac care, you'll be able to do that too. Money has always talked in America.
And in another 20 years, our kids will look back and wonder what the fuss was all about."
Why Republicans Fear Obama's Healthcare Reform - John A. Farrell (usnews.com)
Treat the earth well: it was not given to you by your parents, it was loaned to you by your children. We do not inherit the Earth from our Ancestors, we borrow it from our Children. ~ Ancient American Indian Proverb
very sensible post, thanks.
Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:
These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.
My feelings are echoed by Conservative columnist Ross Douthat.
As a conservative, I suspect they’re wrong. But now that the bill has passed, as a citizen of the United States, I dearly hope they’re right.
The ghost of Jack Kevorkian for President's Physician: 2016
The Repukicans and Conservatives played this the wrong way from the beginning. Their idea was to lambast Obama and the Democracks with non-substantive accusations, such as "communist, stalinist, europhile, etc" until it the issue faded away. When presented with the question of who is going to be captain of the health-care legislation the Republican approach was simply to call Democrats and Obama names, and stall the debate as much as possible.
Some of the more pragmatic elements of the Righteous Right decided to take up the Tea Party call, and began associating themselves with the grass roots campaign that applied the simple third party logic that "what the government is doing, the people don't want them to do". Unfortunately for these who take the spirit of the founding fathers dead seriously, they forget the simple fact that most Americans are not among those that the Founding Fathers found decent enough pass legislation; there are mechanisms in our Government to keep the masses from making decisions.
"I do not underestimate the ability of fanatical groups of terrorists to kill and destroy, but they do not threaten the life of the nation. Whether we would survive Hitler hung in the balance, but there is no doubt that we shall survive al-Qa'ida." -- Lord Hoffmann
it was forced thru by 219 individuals, all members of the party in power, who were pressured beyond all measure by their leaders
we saw what the american people feel about this bill in massachusetts
in virginia and jersey
in all the polls
the american people, by and large, HATE this bill
and the INTENSITY of their feelings probably even dwarfs their huge numbers
look at the "supporters" and "defenders" of this bill on THIS VERY THREAD
even they don't really like it, they support it for the same reasons stupak and half the progressives did---to try to save this presidency from complete defeat
well, now they own it, and there will be hell to pay
look how obama today is out trying to SELL this bill, what's that tell you
he's trying to REVERSE america's perception of obamacare
in the last month we have gone from a white house which arrogantly IGNORES the clearly expressed will of the american people to a 1600 pennsylvania that outright DEFIES us
this is all done at the party's peril
the prez may even get a small, short term bump in his approvals for the perception of his having gotten something done
but the house and the senate are gonna crash
and when junior learns that he's suddenly more illegal than jose just because our boy here has no coverage...
and the long term realization---YOU CANNOT MASSIVELY EXPAND MEDICARE AND MEDICAID WHILE SIMULTAENOUSLY CUTTING BOTH ALREADY OVERSTRAINED ENTITLEMENTS BY HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS
this is what underlies the pessimism even of the obamites on this thread
THE CLAIM TO FUND TWO THIRDS OF THIS MASSIVE EXPANSION BY RECOVERING WASTE, FRAUD AND ABUSE IS AN INSULT TO EVERY HALFWAY INTELLIGENT AMERICAN
the negatives on this bill are huge and PERMANENT
americans are completely repulsed that their president and congress have so little RESPECT for their sentiments
i hear a-g-e-n-d-a in your observations about tea and cons, i don't think your remarks particularly apply to this exact situation, tho they might fit better elsewhere
party on, progressives
the house and senate are MINE