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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    People should do what they want as long as they don't want others to care for them. However, many are being cared for by us because they didn't act responsibly and get insurance. This irresponsibility has led us to where we are now.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr_Patrick View Post
    I've read through the bill a little bit, and while I don't know it as thoroughly or in-depth as some people here do, there are certainly things I like and that I don't like. For instance, I like the fact that insurance companies can't deny people for pre-existing conditions. I think it's downright criminal the way that they try to deny people coverage now. I realize it's a business, but people need the help that insurance provides and when it is being worked with the credo of "save money and we don't care who we screw over to do so", I think things need to change.

    One thing I definitely do take issue with, is the fact that people are going to be penalized for not having insurance. People should have the right to do what they want as far as their health care is concerned. I think a lot of the language right now in the health care bill is pretty extreme and people are freaking out because it's such a dramatic difference from what we have now. Change can be terrifying, and I'm hoping this doesn't end up biting us in the ass, which very easily could happen.

    Considering that this is a totally new approach at health care, I think much of it will be fairly hit or miss and hope that as time goes on things will be improved so that it can be a compromise for everyone.
    I agree with you, however, by not allowing insurance companies to discriminate you almost have to mandate coverage. What would be stopping people from waiting to get insurance until they get sick without a mandate?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    In order to make this bill deficit reducing, many of the benefits will not begin for 4 years.

    However,

    "Some of the benefits that will be introduced within the first year:

    -- Small business tax credits. From 2010 through 2013, qualifying small companies could get a tax credit of up to 35 percent of the company's contribution to employee's health coverage. Beginning in 2014, when the exchanges start up, small businesses could qualify for up to 50 percent of the cost.

    -- Coverage for those with pre-existing conditions. Soon after enactment, people with pre-existing conditions who haven't had coverage for at least six months could obtain coverage through a "high-risk pool" with subsidized premiums. This would be a temporary solution until the exchanges begin in 2014.

    -- Assistance for early retirees. Starting in 2010, a temporary reinsurance program will help cut the cost of health coverage for retirees not old enough to be eligible for Medicare.

    -- Dependent coverage to age 26. Shortly after enactment, all insurers will have to accept dependent coverage for children up to age 26.

    -- No more rescissions. Existing plans would no longer be able to terminate beneficiaries when they get sick.

    -- Enhanced preventive care. Soon after enactment, qualified health plans would have to provide certain preventive services without cost-sharing. Starting in 2011, patient cost-sharing for preventive services under Medicare and Medicaid will be eliminated."

    PolitiFact | Tiahrt: Health care bill will collect 10 years of taxes for six years of services
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I agree with you, however, by not allowing insurance companies to discriminate you almost have to mandate coverage. What would be stopping people from waiting to get insurance until they get sick without a mandate?
    That's true, and I don't think they should have just gone from one extreme to another. However, hopefully down the road they will see find some kind of workable middle ground to reach.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by drz-400 View Post
    I agree with you, however, by not allowing insurance companies to discriminate you almost have to mandate coverage. What would be stopping people from waiting to get insurance until they get sick without a mandate?
    True. ........

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    However, many are being cared for by us because they didn't act responsibly and get insurance. This irresponsibility has led us to where we are now.
    The irresponsibility of our country for the past 50 years has led us to this point.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    For children up to 26...

    While you're suckling on big Governments tit may as well stay attached to Mom and Dad's as well it seems. Wonder if SCHIPS will be extended to those poor, unfortunante children that are on the cusp of 30


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Has anyone heard of Rush Limbaugh's travel plans now?

    His bag appears to be packed ~



    I'm even willing to give him a drive to the airport!
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    For children up to 26...

    While you're suckling on big Governments tit may as well stay attached to Mom and Dad's as well it seems. Wonder if SCHIPS will be extended to those poor, unfortunante children that are on the cusp of 30

    They are catering to the slacker generation..which I think is pretty damned ridiculous.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I came across Denninger's take. He can be a bit hyper-reactive, but he usually seems to hit the major points fairly accurately:
    My info was from a Wall Street Journal article:

    What's in the Health-Care Bill - WSJ.com

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