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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh this is just great...just effin' great:

    On page 65 of the bill, it is mandated that tax payers will subsidize the plans of all UNION retirees and "community organizations".

    And then on page 95, it states that the federal government will pay ACORN and Americorp to sign people up for the government run option.
    Hey, those palms aren't gonna grease themselves now, are they?

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    I have it on good authority (Faux News) that end of days/communism/Great Depression II all begin the day Obama signs health care reform ~

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    But wait!! There's not going to be any rationing of health care! How dare you speak such vile words. Those are only bloated talking points instigated by the evil right wing to try and make you believe that the govt will...


    Oh wait, nvm. They put it right there in black and white in the bill.

    God this is a sad day for this country. I've never voted a straight ticket in my life and I swore I never would. But I most likely will come Nov. Just to voice my disagreement with the ****tards who voted this atrocity in.
    And here it is clear to see how red and blue are on the same team and just keeping the ball away from the people. They bicker about crap to appear on different sides. But really they are just getting the people to ante up.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well it's right there in black and white. It goes on till about page 42 and in that time, it sets up the rolls of committees that will decide what health care you get and it defines the role of the Health Choices Commissioner (read: Healthcare Czar) who will adjust those choices based on the current year's budget.
    A non-accountable bureaucrat making my health care decisions for me? That is a vast improvement over a non-accountable beancounter making my health care decisions for me.

    Yay for CHANGE!!

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I pay my own bills.
    You are not everyone. I would like you to answer a question: What impact does medical bankruptcy have on the pricing mechanism for health care?


    Wrong.
    Given all you have offered are normative rants, i simply cannot agree.

    What does insurance have to do with it? Your neighbor can choose to restore the house or not, regardless of insurance.
    Not everywhere. You are still missing the point. Not everyone has the money to restore their home in an orderly fashion in the event of a fire. Which is why insurance is so heavily demanded in a developed economy. If they do not have the money and let it sit there in shambles it will impact my life.

    You neglected to comment on externalities.

    No, it doesn't.
    Your opinion on the matter is irrelevant. In order to understand how markets function, you have to consider the most basic premise: scarcity. Given the pricing mechanism, what is the relationship to scarcity?


    At the lowest level, Govt, insurance companies, and malpractice are the reasons for the high costs.
    Why does that not correspond to other nations?

    Those initial high costs put upon people who couldn't afford them caused some people to neglect their obligations to pay and force the rest of us to pay for them, which only further drove up the costs. And the libtard's answer for this mess is to add more of the same that started it in the first ****ing place. ****ing brilliant.
    Given the inelasticity of health care demand, your comment could not be more off base. The chief cause of health care inflation is an aging population. Are you aware of how the "market" achieves equilibrium?

    Incorrect. I've yet to see anyone disprove a single bit of it.
    Not in the business of arguing opinions. You are completely fumbling the cost side of the equation because you are unaware of health care demand. Under your premise; the only way to decrease costs is to decrease quantity demand (invoking a shortage).

    Where is a good ole supply side solution when you need one? Increase the supply of doctors and the cost of health care falls. Or...... And this is a novel idea. Having a more healthy society will in fact decrease quantity demanded (regardless of elasticity). Adequate health coverage plays a major role.

    You are arguing based on emotion and ideology.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I have it on good authority (Faux News) that end of days/communism/Great Depression II all begin the day Obama signs health care reform ~

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    It would be truly shocking to see you actually address some of the points brought up by jallman... Truly shocking.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    It would be truly shocking to see you actually address some of the points brought up by jallman... Truly shocking.
    jallman has the advantage of actually knowing what is in the bill. It's almost unfair.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    It would be truly shocking to see you actually address some of the points brought up by jallman... Truly shocking.
    Well why would they do that when half the people arguing this topic haven't bothered to even read the bill? Admittedly I haven't finished it...barely made a dent in it. These are just issues I've seen with what I have read so far.

    And it's slow going. The language is...thick. It practically needs translation at certain points. LOL

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post

    Given the inelasticity of health care demand, your comment could not be more off base. The chief cause of health care inflation is an aging population. Are you aware of how the "market" achieves equilibrium?
    How does this bill correct this?? It doesn't. What it does is add millions more to the Medicaid roles, creating more inflation.

    Where is a good ole supply side solution when you need one? Increase the supply of doctors and the cost of health care falls. Or...... And this is a novel idea. Having a more healthy society will in fact decrease quantity demanded (regardless of elasticity). Adequate health coverage plays a major role.

    You are arguing based on emotion and ideology.
    Additional doctors probably won't decrease health costs, but more patients along with fewer doctors will certainly greatly increase wait times to get into doctor's offices.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    jallman has the advantage of actually knowing what is in the bill. It's almost unfair.



    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW7mOaPnYYA"]YouTube- Congressman John Conyers: "Why Read The Bill?"[/ame]


    just read a comment that claims you need 15+ hours of modern political science education, and you need to have read the whole bill to comment on healthcare changes. Ignoring for a moment that congress wouldn't qualify under those standards
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