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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Oh this is just great...just effin' great:

    On page 65 of the bill, it is mandated that tax payers will subsidize the plans of all UNION retirees and "community organizations".

    And then on page 95, it states that the federal government will pay ACORN and Americorp to sign people up for the government run option.

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    fyi Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by chosendudenyc View Post
    Round 45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance. Research released this week in the American Journal of Public Health estimates that 45,000 deaths per year in the United States are associated with the lack of health insurance. If a person is uninsured, "it means you're at mortal risk," said one of the authors, Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.

    45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance - CNN.com
    Congratulations, you fell for it. The 45,000 number is a farce:
    1. Does the study interview people only once and then assume that they remain uninsured? If so, it will likely overstate the fraction of people who die because they donít have health insurance. Relatively few people remain uninsured for more than a year.

    2. Does the study track how people died? If not, it probably overstates the number of deaths due to a lack of insurance. Younger people are more likely to be uninsured. Younger people are also more likely to die from homicide, something that health insurance has nothing to do with. If homicides or accidents contribute to the higher mortality in the uninsured group, it is not reasonable to claim that their higher mortality is due to a lack of health insurance.

    3. Does the study control for different the differences in social and economic status between the insured and the uninsured groups? All work to date suggests that people who are uninsured differ from the privately insured in ways that are likely to independently increase mortality even in people with coverage. For example, the uninsured are more likely to be high school dropouts, more likely to smoke, less likely to have ever worked, and less likely to be married. All of these characteristics are associated with higher mortality whether or not someone has health insurance.
    Not that it will change the mind of a blind partisan Obamaphile, but at least ignorance is no longer an excuse for you.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    The problem I see with that is we are an aging demographic, I could see this argument having merit if for every person attaining age 45+ we saw 4 births, unfortunately it's about a 1:3 ratio right now if my memory is correct. This follows that the model will skew towards higher risk classes.
    Agreed. Yet given the nature of health care demand, these services are going to be demanded. If they are demanded, they will have to be paid for one way or another. Subsidization for the most risky pools already exists but in my opinion needs to take on even more.

    I have a major problem with subsidation under this bill, nothing in it fixes problems, they will get worse.
    Nothing wows me about this bill, and i am indifferent on whether it passed or not. However, if it can expand coverage to 30 million plus, it is better than nothing

    I agree, part of a good business or individual budget model is risk prevention. Again, other people's problems are ours because of prior government interference.
    Care to expand a bit more?



    I've seen those types of stipulations in bad models, then again what I love about being independent is that I don't have to sell that kind of garbage. I'm not saying that insurers are completely innocent, or that the bad ones shouldn't be held accountable, but it isn't a standard practice.....at least in this region.
    But you do get my point. Medical bankruptcy and delinquent repayment do much to drive up the costs of health care.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    We are not here to have a heart to heart about our feelings. Risk management is vital to all aspects of industry. And if your choices effect others???
    How does my decisions about my own healthcare affect anyone but me?


    abusing ER
    Of the **** you listed, only that one adds to the costs.

    If my neighbor does not carry proper home owners insurance and his home burns down....... It will effect the value of my home while incurring both implicit and explicit costs....
    How the **** does having home owners insurance stop his house from burning down?


    Awwwww..... And people shouldn't be murdered. You are aware that given such a system, everyone would not be able to cover the costs of the services they demand to stay alive. Again a juvenile way of looking at the situation.
    Yes, they would be able to afford it. The costs would drop dramatically, and people can make payments on larger bills.

    No.... Fat people, tobacco use, and a general disregard for healthy living (until it is too late) have much greater impact.
    No, those play a part in the use of healthcare, but not the costs of it. Except of course in the cases of those people sucking from the govt teat.

    You are in no position to make such analysis given the cost of US health care comparatively, along with double digit increases, childhood obesity, etc....
    Yes, I am.

    Quote Originally Posted by chosendudenyc View Post
    Round 45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance. Research released this week in the American Journal of Public Health estimates that 45,000 deaths per year in the United States are associated with the lack of health insurance. If a person is uninsured, "it means you're at mortal risk," said one of the authors, Dr. David Himmelstein, an associate professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School.

    45,000 American deaths associated with lack of insurance - CNN.com
    How does not having insurance cause people to die? I'm continually amazed at how people toss such ridiculous statements out there as if they mean anything.

    I've not had insurance most of my life. I can't believe I'm still alive!

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh this is just great...just effin' great:

    On page 65 of the bill, it is mandated that tax payers will subsidize the plans of all UNION retirees and "community organizations".

    And then on page 95, it states that the federal government will pay ACORN and Americorp to sign people up for the government run option.

    From Facebook
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    Joe Pagliarulo thinks Dems are socialists for voting for healthcare. Are Republicans socialists for approving prescription drug bill?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Welcome to the Federated Corporate Socialist States of America.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Agreed. Yet given the nature of health care demand, these services are going to be demanded. If they are demanded, they will have to be paid for one way or another. Subsidization for the most risky pools already exists but in my opinion needs to take on even more.
    Well, on the demand argument we have an artificially created demand that has just been created, it would not have to be subsidized if it had not been legislated.



    Nothing wows me about this bill, and i am indifferent on whether it passed or not. However, if it can expand coverage to 30 million plus, it is better than nothing
    This thing is going to cause massive economic damage and further dependence on government services, there have been instances where it's most ardent supporters have pretty much let that slip.



    Care to expand a bit more?
    Sure. For instance with this situation, you don't have to be insured, or even pay to seek medical assistance in certain instances because of federal law, it puts a strain on hospitals which raises costs. If you pay cash you get a discount, but since many can't pay cash the increases are assessed on insurance payouts, when insurance companies have to pay more then we have to pay more. If the federal government hadn't put that burden on hospitals in the first place, along with very unfriendly tort laws which further not only increases in cost, CYA medicine, and an upward shift of MM. Insurance, we would see savings passed along to us down the entire health chain.




    But you do get my point. Medical bankruptcy and delinquent repayment do much to drive up the costs of health care.
    True, and while I agree with you, I can't go as far as to force people to purchase.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    I wonder how long it will be before the gubment once again makes me into a Criminal, for not having the money to purchase their "Mandatory Insurance"??
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    And meanwhile the pharmacutical industry is still the worlds biggest sham and reaping more ill-gotten gains than a street drug dealer could dream of.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    From Facebook
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    Joe Pagliarulo thinks Dems are socialists for voting for healthcare. Are Republicans socialists for approving prescription drug bill?
    Oh well if it's on ****ing facebook, that just changes everything, doesn't it?

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