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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by chosendudenyc View Post
    Under the Bush Administration, those 8 straight years, our Constitution was void and abused to push conservative agenda's and policies. Few said anything.


    How dare you state that anything unproven, unlike the Bush Administration succession of voiding our Constitution for 8 straight years, from the Obama Administration needs to be criticized and seen unlawful?
    We were never attacked by terrorists. What happens on the Obama watch? Our own military men and women get slaughtered by one of their own, a Muslim extremist, but his early problems are missed because Napolitano is busy watching the Religious Right, anti-abortion supporters, returning veterans, and proponents of the Second Amendment.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    No, it doesn't. Many people who do not have insurance CAN afford it. They CHOOSE not to. (like myself)
    You are talking like it is a great thing. On the contrary, the greater number of people covered lowers the overall health care costs for everyone. This is very basic idea of risk management. The deviation for individual health care costs (not including the elderly) in the US when we consider "accidents" is quite high which allows for much greater consumer benefit.

    Equivocally saying it is "acceptable" not to carry any type of insurance regardless of how it effects others seems a little extreme to me.

    And if they truly cannot afford it, then there's Medicaid for them.
    That is an empty statement. What about the costs that private insurance does not cover?

    How is that unfair OR un American? It's unfair that a business can choose whether or not to do business with you?
    The externalities associated with such practices have been shown to raise the cost of health care, and contribute to the majority of bankruptcies in the United States.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    OK, here's a question I'd like answered.

    My wife and I both work. We use my work's healthcare plan. Is she going to be required to buy from HER workplace now or face a fine?
    I really would like an answer to this if anyone knows.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    **** you, that's why! Why should you tell me what to do with my money? Why should you force me to play your game? If I could afford the rip off which is health insurance, I still don't need it. There is a real problem, the real problem is that America pays more for heath care and has the least access to it than any other industrialized country out there. This bill doesn't address the problem, it merely forces me to play in a corrupt game. Thanks for spending my money for me, but I think I knew better how to use it.
    I thanked you because I agree with the overall premise. Now, insurance isn't a rip-off, it pays for what it is supposed to pay when you are with a good provider. Where the problems come in are those of abuse, people have a false assumption that policies are there to save people money on healthcare, they are not.....it is a catastrophic loss prevention measure. While people complain that they pay premiums and not need the insurance I argue that's a good thing, it means you don't have major health problems. The big problems with health affordability come from alot of factors that created an artificial market, it goes past providers and insurers although we aren't completely blameless, the main culprit are the idiots and party that have passed legislation overall throughout the last century that have created a problematic and over legislated health market.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    The externalities associated with such practices have been shown to raise the cost of health care...
    What the hell is an externality? I keep seeing people on the left use this term. Is it something to do with Socialist theory?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    I really would like an answer to this if anyone knows.
    Logically, her workplace should keep supplying her with health insurance, and she would keep paying her part to keep it. Then again, that's logic, and the Obama administration and his minions don't seem to embrace that concept.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I thanked you because I agree with the overall premise. Now, insurance isn't a rip-off, it pays for what it is supposed to pay when you are with a good provider.
    It's a god damned scam and I wish I'd thought of it first. Horrifically overpriced, it uses such things as pre-existing conditions to rule out paying out, they will do their damnedest to not pay out, there isn't enough oversight, they are part of the problem with the inflated costs of health care, they use choices such as smoking to increase premiums, etc. Health insurance as it is run in this country is a scam. The best scam ever right after Scientology.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    What the hell is an externality? I keep seeing people on the left use this term. Is it something to do with Socialist theory?

    No, that's really socialist therapy or how they brainwash you over to their side.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's a god damned scam and I wish I'd thought of it first. Horrifically overpriced, it uses such things as pre-existing conditions to rule out paying out, they will do their damnedest to not pay out, there isn't enough oversight, they are part of the problem with the inflated costs of health care, they use choices such as smoking to increase premiums, etc. Health insurance as it is run in this country is a scam. The best scam ever right after Scientology.
    Medical care is so expensive because of all the malpractice suits. They need to limit or eliminate those suits, and watch medical costs go down. Fat chance of that happening because lawyers would fight that one into the ground.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Health Care Bill has passedJust a reminder to keep things civil and no personal attacks.
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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