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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I don't have a link yet. It just happened. Will provide a link as soon as one is available.

    The next bill to be voted on is the Reconciliation bill.

    EDIT: Link is here.

    The way I see it, Republicans should not have gone down the road of misrepresentations and attacks. IMHO, this is what killed their attempts to stop this bill, which I agree is bad. Also, IMHO, the Tea Partiers are an albatross around the neck of the GOP, and tonight's vote is proof of that.

    Will post the results of the Reconciliation vote in this thread, just as soon as they come in.




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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You do realize the tax rates they pay in Europe and the corresponding lackluster performance on their private sectors, don't you? Where we were falling by 2.5% GDP a year in the recession, they were falling by 8%.
    Who? Care to provide a source? I would agree that the less developed as well as the nations who have a large GDP:GNP discrepancy to be more effected. Most of the EU is far more fiscally solid than most western countries.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Such little faith for the private sector? Ha.... Truly intriguing. Government does not possess the ability to force what is left of our market system into despair.
    Sure it does. Government does not have to show a profit, or even so much as a balance in their account. LOL. Private companies do. This is the first step to eliminate private insurance.

    Conservatives need merely to campaign to repeal all aspects of this bill EXCEPT FOR THE PARTS THEY WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR, and this ugly mistake will be gone in due time.

    If they don't, we will be Greece before you know what happened.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    The sad thing is you don't seem to think Democrats do this - Barney Frank, Chris Dodd...
    Didn't say that. In fact, never said that. Again, speculation on your part.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    It is truly inspiring to finally see our Representatives stand up for the people that put them in office!




    Only 40% of the people support this albatross....
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    With all due respect, and to each his own, I have to disagree with your comments. There is no solid proof that a majority of American's were against this bill. Just because you yell the loudest, doesn't mean you yell for the majority. There is no proof it will put a nail in the coffin of the USA. Again no proof it will devastate our economy and place persons out of work. And, it is not un-Constitutional.



    "The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll, taken Friday and Saturday nights, shows that 41% of likely voters favor the health care plan. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. These figures have barely budged in recent months"


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It is so cute to see so many supporters of the Teabag Party say they are going to revolt. I picture them getting their tights and muskets on their 300 pound bodies now. Please don't die from your obesity? The bill isn't fully in effect yet, wait until it is passed. THEN! You can all walk to your local courthouse and see how many people give a **** about what you have to say. Better yet, have a rally.



    uhm, "so many"?


    I see one maybe two. Are you sure they are tea party members?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Sure it does. Government does not have to show a profit, or even so much as a balance in their account.
    So what? You reply instantly with a straw man? Government has no answer in the realm of competition when it comes to the quality and productivity of the private sector.

    LOL. Private companies do. This is the first step to eliminate private insurance.
    I find it humorous as well that your sheep in wolves clothing "pro markets" rhetoric is reinforced with inconsistency. Are you aware that there are extremely large customer bases for private insurance in France, Germany, Italy, etc... In fact, the majority of citizens in France carry various forms of private coverage.

    Conservatives need merely to campaign to repeal all aspects of this bill EXCEPT FOR THE PARTS THEY WOULD HAVE VOTED FOR, and this ugly mistake will be gone in due time.

    If they don't, we will be Greece before you know what happened.


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    "The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone poll, taken Friday and Saturday nights, shows that 41% of likely voters favor the health care plan. Fifty-four percent (54%) are opposed. These figures have barely budged in recent months"


    Health Care Reform - Rasmussen Reports
    I wonder what proportion of them actually understand the bill.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    "Dependent children under the age of 26 would be allowed to remain on their parents' policies if they cannot get health insurance elsewhere. Adults with pre-existing conditions would also be able to buy coverage through expanded high-risk pools.


    Beginning in 2014, more far-reaching measures will begin to take effect. States would be required to set up new "exchanges," or insurance marketplaces, that would offer a variety of health care plans for small businesses and individuals who do not get coverage from their employers. Government subsidies would be available to those earning up to 400% of poverty. Employers with 50 or more workers who do not offer coverage would be fined, and for the first time, most people would be required to obtain health coverage - either at work or by purchasing it on their own - or pay a penalty.


    All of this would be paid for in two ways: By reducing spending on Medicare by hundreds of billions, and by imposing a set of new taxes, including a 40% levy on certain high-priced insurance policies." Cited from site:Obama's Health Care Reform Bill Passed - Yahoo! News.



    This above is in itself a historic achievement to have health care available to many who cannot currently afford it. To have small businesses be fined for being cheap in providing basic coverage is a good thing. For helping small businesses provide coverage if they cannot afford it is a good thing. To help those 'middle-line' Americans who are not eligible for Medicaid, yet are struggling whether out of work or working at a job that doesn't much financial flexibility when it comes to putting aside monies per month for quality health insurance, is a really good thing.


    Look, there was and still are many reasons why health insurance isn’t affordable to so many in this country. Every day folk will swear they know why and use racial epithets thrown at African-American members of the House to prove their displeasure, however I often asked myself if John McClain was president, would he be subjected to racism and un-Americanism if he was trying to do the same thing for health care…. If not this nation has a huge problem every time President Obama tries to provide a change.


    It’s inhumane to use racial epithets to anyone in America and un-American as well, to use this tool of hate against members of congress. It’s a shame this great country couldn't come together for a noble and just cause such as providing health care to those many Americans who cannot afford it. (Isn’t this the fundamental reason why reform was needed in health care? To provide health care to Americans that needs it?)

    This country still shows how many problems we have against one another which it seems are getting worst. President Obama election should have been a sign where all Americans can rejoice over someone who wanted to provide change we need. No one said it would be easy; no one said everyone in congress would play nice and allow such a change to occur; at least we have a president who is willing to try despite.


    I understand the concept of spending monies to benefit this great country down the road. I do not understand how we do not and still have reform in many key areas of government and society. We wouldn't have positive reform if we cannot provide help to those who are struggling now.


    We are seeing how dysfunctional many entities of government function and how much in congress and in the public want this president to fail like never before. No one is saying President Obama is the a great president so far; however having Americans dislike the man and then dislike his politics without understanding the man and his politics, is very dangerous for America.


    Thank you to all that dislike the man and his politics without understanding the man and his politics.
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