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Health Care Bill has passed

"FRIDAY, July 31 (HealthDay News) -- An estimated 50 million, or 42 percent, of the 120 million visits made in 2006 to U.S. hospital emergency departments were billed to the Medicaid and Medicare programs, according to a U.S. government report released Thursday.

Uninsured patients accounted for nearly 18 percent of emergency department visits nationally, 34 percent were billed to private insurance, and 6 percent were billed to worker's compensation, military health plan administrator Tricare, and other payers, according to the latest News and Numbers from the U.S. Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality."

ER Visits Mostly by Medicare, Medicaid Recipients

Most visits are medicare. So? More old people have actual emergencies. That's understandable. Uninsured accounted for 18%. Almost 1 in 5. You don't see the problem with that? Or the costs involved?

"There is a growing trend for the uninsured and undocumented (illegal) immigrants to use the ER. If they have no assets, the state will pick up the tab (assuming the state has any money). Billions of dollars are spent each year for care of undocumented aliens - one of the reasons for California's financial crisis, and often one of the reasons that bankrupt hospitals who are struggling to stay in the black. When hospitals charge $20 for a Tylenol tablet, or $32 for a "dressing" (just a band-aid) to the insured, this is often to offset the free care that must legally be provided."
 
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I don't care what they say.
You want to make a good point about why you support/oppose legislation, use facts.

keep reading

I'm quite tired of the 40% support, 30% oppose and 30% want an enema.
It's tired, old and doesn't do anything to help people make good choices.

people's choices determine who controls the houses, silly
 
The American people got ignored. Where was the transparency Obama promised? What about bipartisanship? The only thing bipartisan was the opposition to this bill. Seriously, America needs to wake up in November, many people were smacked in the face by their congressman, myself included. My district is more conservative, but we have a retiring Democrat congressman. He voted for this legislation because he had nothing to lose (he is retiring and not running again). Most of us here in Nashville didn't want this, but our congressman voted long with his party and not along with his constituents. Congress needs to be reminded that they serve US! We vote them into power, they are supposed to represent us, not cave into thug politics or outright ignore those who gave them that power. Congress needs reform more than healthcare.
 
Most visits are medicare. So? More old people have actual emergencies. That's understandable. Uninsured accounted for 18%. Almost 1 in 5. You don't see the problem with that? Or the costs involved?

I do but this doesn't help that at all.

You have to convince these people to stop going for simple things(like cold/flu), to eat right and to exercise regularly.
 
cnn poll today

59% oppose the pig

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2010/images/03/22/rel5a.pdf

own it, dems

don't blame reds

she's all yours

congrats!
Actually, it's about 73% who oppose it. It's always been only a small minority who want it. Those who think it's "free"! :roll: It's going to cost us all dearly. Nobody can afford this.

Further, private insurance is a thing of the past. It will no longer be availbable.
 
it's true

we, the american people, were more than ignored

we were DEFIED

the party in power will have hell to pay
 
You are just plain wrong. In big city hospitals the ERs are flooded with people that do not have insurance. And preventative medicine is overwhelmingly cheaper at every level. You might want to do your homework instead of copying off your neighbors paper.

The ERs are flooded with people who are on Medicaid/Medicare. I used to work in Emergency Medicine, the people we were forced to pick up in an ambulance for NON emergency reasons, were always on Medicaid or Medicare.
 
HOW COULD TED KENNEDY HAVE BEEN SO STUPID AS NOT TO ABLE TO FIND, IN ALL THOSE YEARS OF SEARCHING, THE SERENDIPITOUS HALF TRIL PRESIDENT PIEFACE FOUND UNDER THE LINCOLN BED ONE MORNING (july 22) LAST SUMMER?

LOL!

You left your cap lock on again.:)
 
are any of YOU serious when you tell any of US that, yes, indeed, YOU really do intend to pay for 2/3 of this thru recovering waste, fraud and abuse?

LOL!

that's TWO THIRDS!

why do YOU talk about little teeny things?

why do WE talk about the HUGE?
 
The American people got ignored. Where was the transparency Obama promised? What about bipartisanship? The only thing bipartisan was the opposition to this bill. Seriously, America needs to wake up in November, many people were smacked in the face by their congressman, myself included. My district is more conservative, but we have a retiring Democrat congressman. He voted for this legislation because he had nothing to lose (he is retiring and not running again). Most of us here in Nashville didn't want this, but our congressman voted long with his party and not along with his constituents. Congress needs to be reminded that they serve US! We vote them into power, they are supposed to represent us, not cave into thug politics or outright ignore those who gave them that power. Congress needs reform more than healthcare.

Ignored? Actually they listened to the years of people complaining about our healthcare system.
 
Ignored? Actually they listened to the years of people complaining about our healthcare system.

No they didn't. All the polls suggest that Americans did not want this type of reform. People want reform, but not this. How can you say that they were listening to Americans.
 
So how does that solve the problem of convincing people that this is a good/bad idea?

you don't convince em, they already made up their minds

you listen to em, you show em respect

unless you know better something they don't

LOL!

It doesn't and is just a trite appeal to the majority.

LOL!

do you hear yourself?
 
The ERs are flooded with people who are on Medicaid/Medicare. I used to work in Emergency Medicine, the people we were forced to pick up in an ambulance for NON emergency reasons, were always on Medicaid or Medicare.

And 18 percent had no insurance. I agree that the very people complaining the most about the healthcare bill were those on medicare. They are the abusers.
 
HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT REPLACING THE PUBLIC OPTION WITH A NEW LAW THAT SAYS EVERY TOM AND HARRY MUST GO OUT AND BUY A (VERY EXPENSIVE) PRODUCT?

how is THAT universal coverage?

big things...
 
you don't convince em, they already made up their minds

you listen to em, you show em respect

unless you know better something they don't

LOL!

do you hear yourself?

"This type of argument is known by several names,[1] including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to the people, argument by consensus, authority of the many, and bandwagon fallacy"

"It is logically fallacious because the mere fact that a belief is widely-held is not necessarily a guarantee that the belief is correct; if the belief of any individual can be wrong, then the belief held by multiple persons can also be wrong."

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum]Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
 
No they didn't. All the polls suggest that Americans did not want this type of reform. People want reform, but not this. How can you say that they were listening to Americans.

Do you even know what the reform is? Or are you just repeating spin?
Much of the bill is wanted by most people. A few other things like taxes for people making over 250K gives republicans a coniption fit.

Most people opposed to the bill don't even know what it is.
 
"This type of argument is known by several names,[1] including appeal to the masses, appeal to belief, appeal to the majority, appeal to the people, argument by consensus, authority of the many, and bandwagon fallacy"

"It is logically fallacious because the mere fact that a belief is widely-held is not necessarily a guarantee that the belief is correct; if the belief of any individual can be wrong, then the belief held by multiple persons can also be wrong."

Argumentum ad populum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

good

but i'm not saying they're right

not here

elsewhere i'll tell you how and why they're right

HERE, i'm telling you they are gonna KICK THE ASSES of this imperious party in power
 
good

but i'm not saying they're right

not here

elsewhere i'll tell you how and why they're right

HERE, i'm telling you they are gonna KICK THE ASSES of this imperious party in power

And when that happens the new party in power will do the exact same thing the old did.

Unless you really believe that they are that different.
 
Everyone needs to buy an expensive cable package to ensure that we combat depression with entertainment, to combat obesity by providing quality exercise programing, to fight against unhealthy food by forcing everyone to have access to cooking stations that teach you how to prepare healthy dishes. There are so many people dying at home and suffering from depression because they don't have extended cable service. Granny is lonely at home and she is suffering because all she has is 13 channels. We must fight against all this by forcing everyone to purchase an $800 cable package so they may have access to quality programming that will ensure a wonderful future. If you don't buy this cable package you must pay a $500 fine per month. Just think about it, everyone will know how to make healthy dishes, everyone can workout to the best trainers, and everyone can watch a transparent government on many c-span like networks. Wait never mind... scratch that last one. Anyway, for the good of America we are mandating that you should buy this cable package, or pay the fine.

Do you even know what the reform is? Or are you just repeating spin?
Much of the bill is wanted by most people. A few other things like taxes for people making over 250K gives republicans a coniption fit.

Most people opposed to the bill don't even know what it is.

Spin? Well if it's a spin to state the unarguable fact that the majority of America is against this legislation then yes, I am spinning. It doesn't matter if "much" of the bill is wanted, the undisputed facts are that the majority of America did not want this to pass, and their representatives did not reflect what their constituents wanted. Most people who support the bill don't know what it is.
 
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progressives, how do you expand medicare and medicaid by thirty one mil while at the same time cutting their funding by half a T?

does that not seem like a lot of money to you?

why haven't you thought of these things?

aren't you a more responsible thinker than that?

i can see the president isn't

but i thought perhaps you were, or at least, you wanted to be...

how do you expand m and m by 31 mil while cutting funding MASSIVELY?
 
why couldn't kennedy FIND IT?

answer---because it's not REAL

and you KNOW it!

now, you're starting to UNDERSTAND the meaning of those polls

mom GETS IT, she aint DUMB

tsk tsk...
 
the CHICAGO-IZATION of all united states politics

won't fly outside cook

you gonna PAY for this!
 
why couldn't kennedy FIND IT?

answer---because it's not REAL

and you KNOW it!

now, you're starting to UNDERSTAND the meaning of those polls

mom GETS IT, she aint DUMB

tsk tsk...

Prof you're making yourself look like a typical Republican/conservative stereotype.

People will only mock, ridicule and dismiss you.
 
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