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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Remember that plan we had? I was telling it to one of my libertarian friends, and he said the same thing you did. I should be President.

    Unfortunately, you're right. It was intelligent, bipartisan, and no one would have listened.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Bassman View Post
    Oh no, I am stating reality. As the heavy had of your centralized government keeps enacting more Socialist laws, I will keep right on working, paying for your government freebies!!!
    I know that I sleep sounder with you covering for me.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    History has shown us that social programs are far easier to repeal and pull back on than entitlement programs which are generally harder to repeal the larger they are.

    History has also shown us recently that even with a majority in government some of the largest and most troublesome social conservative acts, like amending the constitution to LIMIT freedom, fails because its unlikely for a republcian majority to be so bent to the extreme.

    Finally, the other biggest issue for social conservatives (abortion) can't really have anything large done to it until such a time happens that Roe v. Wade is over turned which I don't think will happen anytime soon.

    To me, its a gamble, but one where the odds are far better that whatever bad the Republicans voted in may do will likely be less than what this bill will do.
    Those are good points. Only some of the Republicans are so socially conservative so it is hard to get a voting majority. Add to that that those laws are less harmful than a new entitlement.

    So what kinds of things can be done to overturn this healthcare law? I am assuming they pass the reconciliation bill and break the filibuster that way...GOP won't have to respect the filibuster. But they do need the Presidency or a veto proof majority....So, 2012 is it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    It's a crying shame that our "elected representatives" would go against the will of the people and pass this load of crap.
    They didn't. The will of the people elected Obama and all of the Congressional officials who voted in favor of it.

    This is one more nail in the coffin of the United States of America.
    I think of it more like the hammer pulling the nails out of our coffin.

    This is socialism, plain and simple.
    So is our police force, fire department, public libraries, schools, mail, military, justice system, public roads, etc etc

    Our government is destroying this country from the inside out.
    Depends on who's in power.

    This will devastate our economy and put even more people out of work, not to mention what this will add to our outrageous and out of control deficit.
    Eh? I disagree on that one.

    Let's hope this gets shot down on Constitutional grounds and soon.
    Let's hope not and say we did.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    I hate the bill but at least the plan created tens of thousands of jobs when they staff the fed and state beuracracies to run the dam thing...at least the Dems got something good out of this. Ramming a humongous bill through congress on behalf of 32 million in spite of the resistance shown from most of the remaining I think 300 plus million is the epitome of governing by the minority. This is unfortunate and irresponsible. This is a representative government (supposedly) and the Dems have acted on behalf of the minority which I think/hope will bite them in the ass in November. There were so many other good ideas to reduce the cost of healthcare but they wouldn't have made history. Good going Nancy and oh you too Barack.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskimo View Post
    I hate the bill but at least the plan created tens of thousands of jobs when they staff the fed and state beuracracies to run the dam thing...at least the Dems got something good out of this. Ramming a humongous bill through congress on behalf of 32 million in spite of the resistance shown from most of the remaining I think 300 plus million is the epitome of governing by the minority.
    Read up on James Madison's "Tyranny of the Majority" viewpoints?

    This is unfortunate and irresponsible. This is a representative government (supposedly) and the Dems have acted on behalf of the minority which I think/hope will bite them in the ass in November.
    I don't. If anyone has a problem with the bill, then they have themselves to thank for voting the congressional officials who voted in favor of it into office.

    There were so many other good ideas to reduce the cost of healthcare but they wouldn't have made history. Good going Nancy and oh you too Barack.
    I never heard any alternative plans from the right, just cries of "socialism", "death panels", "statism", "elitism" etc etc etc. If there were any alternate proposals, then they got lost in between all of the fearmongering.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    This will devastate our economy and put even more people out of work, not to mention what this will add to our outrageous and out of control deficit.
    Eh? I disagree on that one.
    You must be joking. You don't see this is going to repress the free market? You don't see that this is going to add $200 billion a year to the deficit?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You must be joking. You don't see this is going to repress the free market? You don't see that this is going to add $200 billion a year to the deficit?
    I think it will pan out somehow. Like the bill or hate it, "socialised" healthcare hasn't devastated the economies of the European countries that have similar plans.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Toothpicvic View Post
    I think it will pan out somehow. Like the bill or hate it, "socialised" healthcare hasn't devastated the economies of the European countries that have similar plans.
    You do realize the tax rates they pay in Europe and the corresponding lackluster performance on their private sectors, don't you? Where we were falling by 2.5% GDP a year in the recession, they were falling by 8%.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    You do realize the tax rates they pay in Europe and the corresponding lackluster performance on their private sectors, don't you? Where we were falling by 2.5% GDP a year in the recession, they were falling by 8%.
    They don't seem to have to pay as much as we do to afford the same standards of living, so it works out pretty good from what I hear. Like in the 1950s US - taxes were higher, but your dollar went for a lot more.

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