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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I will vote in Nov for no other reason than to vote *against* the my "representatives" who voted for this bull****. I'm normally only a Presidential election voter, because I just move around too much to vote locally. I will make an exception this year.
    I am equally guilty of not voting. Those social conservatives just stick in my craw. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Who the hell am I supposed to vote for? If we vote in Republicans to a majority for fiscal conservative reasons, you know they are going to pass some socially conservative bull****.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    I am not sure if I am happy that it passed or not. Overall, I think it will have almost no effect on my life and I don't think it will do much to arrest the rising cost of health care and insurance from year to year. On the other hand, it looks like it will help many who are worse off than I am, so I am happy for those guys.

    Overall, I feel pretty neutral about the whole thing. A lot of that is probably fatigue from the battle taking so long though.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Can we start the secret plot of killing grandparents and eating babies yet?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Can we start the secret plot of killing grandparents and eating babies yet?
    Shhhhhhhhh. You remember the plan, thats after the communist brown shirts take over the statue of liberty and open the way for the muslim take over of Kansas. I have said too much already.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Sadly I expected to see this news when I woke up, the writing was on the wall last night when Stupak stupidly, and transparently, allowed the toothless promise by Obama about an Executive Order to deny funding going to abortions.

    I had gone on record of saying I would not vote for a birther-enabling candidate like Sarah Palin, and have had no problem voting 3rd party before. That's not happening this time out. If this thing has done anything is it's assured me I will vote straight ballot the next two elections. History has shown what happens when we create entitlement programs and the enormity of the difficulty of removing them. The only shot is 2012 prior to most of it being rolled out (but not before we start feeling the pain from it). That alone is reason enough to stomach whatever unsavory traits a Republican candidate may have.

    I don't know where to begin with my displeasure on this. The idiotic notion that private business is inherently corrupt but somehow government isn't? That this is going to end up in 10 or 20 years landing us in the same trouble we're currently at with Social Security? That history tells us that CBO score for an entitlement program is likely to be incredibly off. That the fine system makes it idiotic for businesses to actually provide insurance to their employee's in terms of cost, setting the obvious situation up where more people become uninsured and we hear the call for needing the government to step in to fix the problem those greedy businesses caused. That we have likely turned medicare into a bottom of the barrel program with many doctors likely to opt. That the "biparitsanship" involved in this was no where, despite what hyper partisan liberals were scream about, from the very beginning when Republicans weren't brought into the closed door meanings and we were told bipartisanship generally meant "Just get on board with whatever we the democrats want" which started the fierce oposition ith no give. That this doesn't actually address many of the root causes of the health care issues we have in this country.

    But no, pretty sure the thing that bothers me the most about it is the one that's bothered me the most throughout. If there is one thing this country's government has shown us, time and time again, regardless of whose in power, is that congress will expand its power and its territory every chance it gets using any loophole or any backward bending manuever they have to to do it. They capitalize on any and everything they can to slip through constitutional cracks to decide that something is in the interest of the congress to oversee. The more you extend health care to everyone, the more you interject the government into the health care, the larger argument you give congress to state that your body is THEIR business. It DISGUSTS me that you have the pro-choicers who, based on this I now truly wonder of their sincerity, rant about how its "their body their choice" and yet are willfully running into the arms of it being the your body, the governments choice.

    Perhaps a bit hyperbole but to steal a line from the 1st lady...

    For (one of) the first time in my lifetime I am ashamed of my country.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    The true battle will begin when the States reject the Socialist/Marxist Obama agenda.

    It could lead to more problems and divisions than have been seen since 1861.

    Over 20 States have talked about refusing to go along and with the vast majority of the PEOPLE saying no this, Obama may find he is the cause of something more than even he and his minions bargained for.

    Some Texans are looking for a reason/excuse for cessation and just the serious consideration will be awful.

    This Phony Health Plan along with the needless waste of money on it along with the equally PHONY reasons for Car and Trade may be the start of the resurrection of the Declaration of Independence.



    Forcing this on an unwilling majority the way it has been done with lies and bribery threats and intimidation falls into the quote I just cited.

    I hope that cooler heads prevail until the Nov. elections when we have a chance to correct the massive errors that have just taken place.

    Those who stand for nothing fall for anything.
    You seem to have a low regard for the ability of Americans to see themselves as united enough to run a government.

    I do not share your feeling, and I consider it hysterics fed by an exciting night of American politics.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    November will be my first chance to vote for my House representative for my district. I will definitely be voting Republican just to oust Democrat Jim Cooper who voted for this legislation.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    Bravo. Well-said. Find me an insurance company that relishes the idea of paying out a claim. Anywhere. Anytime. Anyplace. Car, Home, or Person.
    The problem is the industry. Doctors gouge their patients in an selfish effort to get rich, and to "outdo" their colleagues, and quite often have "deals" with drug companies, and order unnecessary tests and procedures, in quid quo pros with hospitals. Providers, even non-profit hospitals, such as The Methodist Hospital, in Houston, "lie" and have profit, and cater to high end patients with luxury items and accomodations, the latest (and expensive) cutting edge equipment and procedures, DRG's (thus limiting hospital stays), while their board of directors collect huge salaries, like bankers.
    How is it that insurance and drug companies can spend millions on lobbying, but can't lower the costs of premiums or drugs ( at huge profit margins) , yet, challenge doctor-ordered treatment and therapy at every turn????
    How is it their CEO's and board of directors have obscene salaries????
    I, too worked in the healthcare and insurance (charge recovery) industries for almost 20 years.
    Well said by you and the Captain. Yet, people want to protect this mess. Many GOP want to protect the corporations and insurance companies and special interest groups that continue to gouge us.

    I have a case where my wife's cousin, who comes from a religously conservative family, who are dead-set against anything democratic, was diagnoised with mulitple myolomia (sic). He is a fire fighter, ex marine, with 3 you children. His insurance will not pay for a bone marrow trans?, and the hospital will not do it unless he comes up with 500K. Now we as a family have to come with the 500k to give this man a trans? He is a working member of society, who has served his country and his community, WHO HAS INSURANCE, yet, his health insurance provider can deny him coverage.

    Something is wrong with this picture. Health care reform will hopefully stop and protect us, who work, contribute, etc.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Well said, Zyphlin. Especially about Congress expanding their control.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I had gone on record of saying I would not vote for a birther-enabling candidate like Sarah Palin, and have had no problem voting 3rd party before. That's not happening this time out. If this thing has done anything is it's assured me I will vote straight ballot the next two elections. History has shown what happens when we create entitlement programs and the enormity of the difficulty of removing them. The only shot is 2012 prior to most of it being rolled out (but not before we start feeling the pain from it). That alone is reason enough to stomach whatever unsavory traits a Republican candidate may have.
    I'll repeat what I just posted:

    "Those social conservatives just stick in my craw. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Who the hell am I supposed to vote for? If we vote in Republicans to a majority for fiscal conservative reasons, you know they are going to pass some socially conservative bull****."

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    I'll repeat what I just posted:

    "Those social conservatives just stick in my craw. I am fiscally conservative and socially liberal. Who the hell am I supposed to vote for? If we vote in Republicans to a majority for fiscal conservative reasons, you know they are going to pass some socially conservative bull****."
    History has shown us that social programs are far easier to repeal and pull back on than entitlement programs which are generally harder to repeal the larger they are.

    History has also shown us recently that even with a majority in government some of the largest and most troublesome social conservative acts, like amending the constitution to LIMIT freedom, fails because its unlikely for a republcian majority to be so bent to the extreme.

    Finally, the other biggest issue for social conservatives (abortion) can't really have anything large done to it until such a time happens that Roe v. Wade is over turned which I don't think will happen anytime soon.

    To me, its a gamble, but one where the odds are far better that whatever bad the Republicans voted in may do will likely be less than what this bill will do.

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