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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Congrats in joining the civilized world..
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    If I were creating a healthcare reform bill from the ground up, this isn't the one I would have created. There are definitely things I don't like about it, but it's certainly better than no reform at all.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    such a beautiful day in my neighborhood
    So much for being a centrist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    So much for being a centrist.
    It's a nice day in my neighborhood too. Am I still a liberal?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Congrats in joining the civilized world..
    What in becoming slaves like the rest of Europeans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bicycleman View Post
    What in becoming slaves like the rest of Europeans?
    We're 18th in a scale of how Democratic a country is, beaten by many European countries which are much more socialist then us.

    http://a330.g.akamai.net/7/330/25828...dex%202008.pdf

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    When I worked at a hospital (15 years ago), indemnity policies were the gold standard. Patients who had them never had to worry about treatment being cut or problems with payments. Indemnity policies, to me, are still the gold standard. Easy, great coverage, and no insurance company interaction. Why have they been phased out? Two reasons, but both are from the same animal: GREED. Insurance companies found that by using HMOs they could control things far better. They could cut coverage, cut authorizations, cut services, and make things all around more difficult for providers and subscribers in the hope that if things are difficult enough, people will just give up. However, providers are not blameless. Over billing, double billing, fraudulent billing, and keeping a patient for longer than necessary milked the insurance industry. Change needed to happen What I would like to see would be indemnity policies with provider reviews. The reviews, however, are based solely on the recommendations of the provider. Back in the day, there were no reviews at all. This is where the problems occurred. Now, the reviews are insurance company driven, not provider driven. If the provider can show medical need, then there should be no issue. Nowadays, this is not always the case.
    Bravo. Well-said. Find me an insurance company that relishes the idea of paying out a claim. Anywhere. Anytime. Anyplace. Car, Home, or Person.
    The problem is the industry. Doctors gouge their patients in an selfish effort to get rich, and to "outdo" their colleagues, and quite often have "deals" with drug companies, and order unnecessary tests and procedures, in quid quo pros with hospitals. Providers, even non-profit hospitals, such as The Methodist Hospital, in Houston, "lie" and have profit, and cater to high end patients with luxury items and accomodations, the latest (and expensive) cutting edge equipment and procedures, DRG's (thus limiting hospital stays), while their board of directors collect huge salaries, like bankers.
    How is it that insurance and drug companies can spend millions on lobbying, but can't lower the costs of premiums or drugs ( at huge profit margins) , yet, challenge doctor-ordered treatment and therapy at every turn????
    How is it their CEO's and board of directors have obscene salaries????
    I, too worked in the healthcare and insurance (charge recovery) industries for almost 20 years.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    We're 18th in a scale of how Democratic a country is, beaten by many European countries which are much more socialist then us.

    http://a330.g.akamai.net/7/330/25828...dex%202008.pdf
    I think if we allowed gays to marry and serve, and more people voted, we'd shoot up into the top ten easy. Those two "civil liberties" and "political participation" are low compared to the other categories.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    I will vote in Nov for no other reason than to vote *against* the my "representatives" who voted for this bull****. I'm normally only a Presidential election voter, because I just move around too much to vote locally. I will make an exception this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    I will vote in Nov for no other reason than to vote *against* the my "representatives" who voted for this bull****. I'm normally only a Presidential election voter, because I just move around too much to vote locally. I will make an exception this year.
    You should make it a rule.
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