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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    I just have a few questions about this bill...

    First, Is it true that this bill has originated in the senate?

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by BmanMcfly View Post
    I just have a few questions about this bill...

    First, Is it true that this bill has originated in the senate?
    Yes, the first resolution was the Senate bill. The third resolution was the reconciliation bill, which goes to the Senate. If the reconciliation bill passes the Senate, then the provisions in that bill become law, as they supersede the earlier bill.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Did somebody say "TAX REVOLT"??
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Lil Bush and his lot had at am minimum 6 years to do something, they merely sat on their respective hands and did diddly squat.

    It was essential that Health Care reform was enacted, it still is, whether obmacare is the answer I have no idea, I doubt anyone else does either.

    Businesses going out of business? not going to happen, they will adjust, they have in other Country's where Government has enforced Health care reforms, they will in the USA.

    Country going to be bankrupted?

    Shucks, it already is.

    I dislike obama and his bully boys, but at least he has had the guts to do something.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I certainly agree with the efficiency angle, but I don't think that overspending is that simple. The entire structure needs to be looked at. In some areas, employment needs to be cut. In others, it needs to be INCREASED.

    And I do not agree with timeframes for benefits to expire; to me, a solid set of parameters for them to continue needs to be developed, and then needs to be re-evaluated from time to time by professionals. My brother is on SSD, and they handle his case VERY efficiently.
    All true, I was intentionally keeping it simple as a starting point. Louisiana has overhired in various agencies for years and the bill is past due, we are in a cutting period for non-essential government employees ourselves, I do agree it's a structure due for a complete overhaul. As for the timeframe argument there are potentially better options, that I'll concede. What I think needs to happen with re-evaluations is an establishment of some effort towards recipient independence where possible. If someone is permanently disabled or if they cannot be reasonably found otherwise to be capable of providing for themselves for a very narrow array of factors, I see no problem with them drawing on services.


    I agree with this, but it needs to go MUCH further than that. Insurance companies use every loophole imaginable to NOT pay the provider, and to make it more difficult for the patient. These abuses must be addressed, and the fraud laws won't cover them.
    There are good and bad companies, the most abuse I've seen or heard about from the private sector was in certain group policies and HMO's, although individual insurance in the form of indemnity insurance(which is outdated, these should be outlawed) have happened. I will say there was a h.i. company I worked for a total of 4 days, I was physically ill at the end of my tenure there. They sold the big promise of a model where I had a desk, shot at management, and could retain independence. All lies, they did not offer flexibility in sales technique and prefered the "sell hard and misrepresent" approach and had multiple policy loopholes created in the contract, however these companies are not the standard, they are the exception. I think though we could agree, close the loopholes and hold insurance providers to the ethics standards absolutely.
    It's not fraud when the insurance company repeatedly tells you that you are sending the authorization to the wrong fax number... and they have 16 fax numbers. These kinds of abuses need to be regulated right out, with reforms that force the insurance companies to use some sort of standard or centralized system.
    Ah, the departmental shuffle, this happens with many big financial companies, including creditors, insurers, banks, etc. Actually, pretty much every big corp. I will agree it's annoying, but will also say it is due to departmental incompetence and not necessarily misrepresentation. Trust me, if you don't have a direct line to a high ranking mid to upper manager your day will be ruined trying to put out a fire, been there, done that. One of the biggest problems with departmental incompetence is that everyone wants to show the person above them they can do the next level job when actually they can't even do their own correctly, the misinformation and misdirection is frustrating.........especially when you have a client ready to physically harm you for the company's mistake.





    Most doctors I know that have left the field have left because of malpractice insurance costs, or poor or lack of insurance reimbursement. I haven't heard that regulations are the issue at all, these days.
    It could be a regional thing, Louisiana doctors that left at the time left because of state regs, but all of those things ballooned their mpi costs, and reimbursement from medicare, not specifically insurance companies here.



    I don't, but you're right... we'll have to wait.
    I'm gonna watch the market when I get time tomorrow. I see one of two things happening. Either the market will spike tomorrow because something finally was decided and people will be speculating on the gains the health insurers will see because of the mandates or the market will go into full blown collapse mode. If the former happens we will see a huge bubble that will burst beyond anything we've seen in our lifetimes as more things are added or if the latter happens the market will blip along with minor spikes on occasion but will never fully recover, and in fact recede as things are added. Hate to be the pessimist here, but these are the only two economic possibilities I see with this bill.





    Staff shortages I absolutely agree with and I agree with CYA costs. I think regulatory compliance cost are problematic, but because they are not efficient or do not address the real issues. I'd like to see more regulation, but more efficient regulation... which would probably mean some regulations cut.
    I think we're in agreement but hanging on the general idea of regulation. I would probably be a libertarian if I could trust everyone, knowing some people would jeapordize their own mother to save a buck I can see the merit of having appropriate regulations. Where the end and beginning of such is I am more than happy to discuss.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    I have made it no secret that I preferred an incremental approach to the problems of health care insurance in this country. Vastly preferred in fact. I think doing too much at once means too many things can go wrong.

    With the above said, I still support and approve passing this bill. The problem with reform is we all have ideas on how to do it, and if we all hold out for our plan, nothing gets reformed. I think the situation in this country in regards to health care and health care insurance is too important to just keep doing nothing. This bill has things I would rather not have(yet), and does not have some things I do think are needed. The problem is that if it is not done now, nothing is probably what will be done, and for some time, until the problem is much worse and harder to solve.

    I am glad it passed, though far from ecstatic. As some one kinda in the middle on health care, the thing I most note about this process to this point is how sad the debate has been. Lies have been perpetrated by those of both sides, and exaggerations, which leave most people with no real knowledge to really base an opinion on. Protesters on both sides have been "astroturfed", have been offensive(nazi references are really not needed), and have put winning over everything. Rhetoric has been high, reasoned debate rarely happening. Too many people have seen this as a sport, pulling for their team and finding humor in the efforts of those who really are trying to make their country better, either by supporting or opposing the bill. It's not a sport, it's much to important for that.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Yes, the first resolution was the Senate bill. The third resolution was the reconciliation bill, which goes to the Senate. If the reconciliation bill passes the Senate, then the provisions in that bill become law, as they supersede the earlier bill.
    So, the house did not have a vote on this specific bill then?

    Now, you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong here... but if this is the case, isn't this an invalid law because it didn't go through the proper constitutional process?

    If that happens to be the case. what would the implications be of such a precedent?

    Also, if what I've heard is correct, how is this being framed as being a proper process of making new laws??

    If I'm wrong then disregard... but at least explaonm... thanks.

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