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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    I understand you're anger, but you are smarter than this. Taxes are NOT forcing your neighbor to pay for others... and that's what you are implying. That's a weak talking point.
    Doubtful you understand my anger here Cap. I want certain politicians, their sycophants, and an entire political movement rotting in hell right now. Taxes are a necessary evil, they should have a discernable and provable benefit to be proper, nothing I've seen from a historical perspective coming from the twentieth century would pass the necessary and proper test. Check that.....we had a couple of wars in the beginning of the century that needed to be paid for, some infrastructural improvements, etc. But for the most part we became an entitlement society and lost our way. This bill just further empowered a government that is out of control.



    Some, I'm sure is. It didn't go far enough with regulation, and may have gone too far with citizen control, without enough choices.
    First off, regulation needs to be cut to a core of safety/quality standards. We need appropriate de-regulation(not to be confused with simply giving 100% control back to crooks). Secondly we must have tort reform, 1/3 of doctors went on record as saying they will leave their practices the minute this becomes law. Third, yes there does need to be insurance reform, better ideas than this bill were shot down, and that is unfortunate, as an agent I will tell you that the things in this bill will drive costs up. Finally, the AMA needs to lose a lot of influence in legislative matters, don't know if you are a member or not, but they have historically advocated some positions that limited our number of physicians and specialists over the years, healthcare is not a natural market and we are seeing the effects of the controlled market not on it's best behavior.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Remember that plan we had? I was telling it to one of my libertarian friends, and he said the same thing you did. I should be President.

    Unfortunately, you're right. It was intelligent, bipartisan, and no one would have listened.
    That plan could work, and it actually fixes stuff. This bill is going to have disastrous results.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Have trust in me, those cuts will vaporize when republicans get control.
    That is their #1 pander group.
    Wasnt part D passed under a Republican President, Senate and Congress?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Well I am not overly thrilled about the bill being passed, but I do look forward to the riots and revolution I have heard so much about if it is passed. It will make for some good watching while I wait for the next round in the NCAAs.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Doubtful you understand my anger here Cap. I want certain politicians, their sycophants, and an entire political movement rotting in hell right now. Taxes are a necessary evil, they should have a discernable and provable benefit to be proper, nothing I've seen from a historical perspective coming from the twentieth century would pass the necessary and proper test. Check that.....we had a couple of wars in the beginning of the century that needed to be paid for, some infrastructural improvements, etc. But for the most part we became an entitlement society and lost our way. This bill just further empowered a government that is out of control.



    First off, regulation needs to be cut to a core of safety/quality standards. We need appropriate de-regulation(not to be confused with simply giving 100% control back to crooks). Secondly we must have tort reform, 1/3 of doctors went on record as saying they will leave their practices the minute this becomes law. Third, yes there does need to be insurance reform, better ideas than this bill were shot down, and that is unfortunate, as an agent I will tell you that the things in this bill will drive costs up. Finally, the AMA needs to lose a lot of influence in legislative matters, don't know if you are a member or not, but they have historically advocated some positions that limited our number of physicians and specialists over the years, healthcare is not a natural market and we are seeing the effects of the controlled market not on it's best behavior.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Wasnt part D passed under a Republican President, Senate and Congress?
    I'm pretty sure they were.

    That's why those cuts will vaporize when they regain control.
    Have no doubt that republicans will do the same exploiting that democrats do.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    I am still trying to figure out how the government will save money on me. My refusing to cover myself or pay a fine will result in them having to pay a whole lot more to house, feed, and guard me in jail.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Yeah donc don't you know...one day...ONE DAY...it will all come crashing down and this country will be a dust bowl in a depression all over again. You'll see...one day.
    So what do you think of that link I gave you Lerxst? There is a section or two dedicated specifically to the credits you would receive depending on your size and scope of a company, as well as penalties if somehow providing insurance were to become unaffordable as an employer.

    as Harry Guerrilla said long ago in this thread, supporters need to show how they think this bill will help rather than just believing it will. All i have seen thus far is that "it will make everybody healthier", with nothing to back that up substantially.

    IMO, the root cause of health problems in this country(or the majority of them) come from lifestyle choices rather than this perceived lack of healthcare access. This bill, and I am sure the supplemental ones to follow do not adequetly address this. Much like our pharma companies(whom I disdain), we have treated the symptoms of health issues in this country rather than found a cure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm pretty sure they were.

    That's why those cuts will vaporize when they regain control.
    Have no doubt that republicans will do the same exploiting that democrats do.
    True dat.........
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post

    Which Wars?
    WWI and WWII. Korea and 'Nam were unnecessary, as was "The War on Drugs".
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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