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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Those who think the passing of this bill is "the end" are being overdramatic and over reacting. It isn't.
    Rather, it's the beginning: of a healthier life, a life with less needless suffering, for many people I know- 30% of adults uninsured in my state! Think about it! One out of three. And we're not even the worst. Other states are worse off.

    Society will benefit if people are able to get treatment for their chronic and acute illnesses before they become permanently disabled from them.
    That will help the economy, not hurt it.

    Every single one of us gets sick. Someday, each of us will get so sick that we won't be able to get better again, and we'll die.
    This is true no matter how well we try to take care of ourselves.
    People need to be able to go to the doctor. Everyone gets sick.
    One out of three adults not having access to medical care is unacceptable.
    No wonder our economy is in the tank.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by aaronssongs View Post
    Please, illustrate, link or document how the bill or the Dems are rewarding insurance companies, who, by and large were dead set against the bill, in any form. If the bill were so rewarding to insurance companies, why were they dead against it? I patiently await your response.
    They are going to get roughly 30 million new customers.

    How could they not be happy?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Don't give me that horse****. This is grand theft taxation, this is forced redistribution, and as unamerican as Borscht.
    I agree. I HATE borscht.

    When it comes right down to it, programs like this are needed to some extent, basically because, no matter how much some folks want to pretend it's NOT true, none of us lives in a vacuum. What happens to you, affects me in some way. That is what happens in this country. You are being naive if you think that some of your tax money doesn't go for programs and policies that help others... and that this does NOTHING for you. If it helps the country, it helps you.

    Whenever I think about this stuff, I am always reminded of the old BELL commercial from before the phone company break-up. The catch phrase was "We're All Connected". Denying this fact is ridiculous. We ARE all connected.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They are going to get roughly 30 million new customers.

    How could they not be happy?
    THIS is a major problem I have with this bill. Though there were some regulations of the insurance industry that I am happy about, I'm not sure if they offset this one simple fact.

    That's why I wanted the public option as an OPTION.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're paying and going to pay, anyway. What this bill does is alters how this occurs. I haven't looked into the fine print of this thing. From what I know there are some things I like, and there are some that I do not. It will help me professionally in some ways, and hurt in others. Personally, it will affect me very little. My guess is that will be true for most people.
    I disagree Cap. Everything I've seen so far is the perfect plan to screw people, and it will hurt the market, I am going on record as saying this is an economy killer.. For every one good thing this bill might accomplish, this puts us about five to ten steps back from where we need to be in reducing costs.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    THIS is a major problem I have with this bill. Though there were some regulations of the insurance industry that I am happy about, I'm not sure if they offset this one simple fact.

    That's why I wanted the public option as an OPTION.
    We had a cool plan but it was full of good ideas and cooperation.
    It would have never worked.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Healthcare and Health Insurance aren't the same thing. As well, you may have missed that little point that every single company reinvests into insurance companies. As well, you just mentioned that health costs are 15% of GDP. That is a misnomer, the GDP is an aggregate, health costs are individual outlays........well, apparently not anymore, now that the government is close to being completely on the hook it'll be a problem of the aggregate.
    Ah, so we're forced to pay taxes on services they deem we cannot recieve at this time, that would be rationing. Sure, why not? Sounds like a great idea.....I mean.....if you don't mind that whole dying thing.[/QUOTE]

    Rationing occurs in any case does it not

    All that is changing is that more people will have access to rationed health care

    And if 1/6 of the US economy is going to health care, it is no wonder the US economy is in the toilet.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    There is nothing noble about forcing your neighbor to pay for others wellbeing. I care about others as well, but when I can give....I choose to do so, I don't want it forcible taken from me for things that are not constitutional.
    I understand you're anger, but you are smarter than this. Taxes are NOT forcing your neighbor to pay for others... and that's what you are implying. That's a weak talking point.

    This health bill is crap.
    Some, I'm sure is. It didn't go far enough with regulation, and may have gone too far with citizen control, without enough choices.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Those who think the passing of this bill is "the end" are being overdramatic and over reacting. It isn't.
    Explain. According to Politico the next stop is Obama's desk.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    I agree. I HATE borscht.

    When it comes right down to it, programs like this are needed to some extent, basically because, no matter how much some folks want to pretend it's NOT true, none of us lives in a vacuum. What happens to you, affects me in some way. That is what happens in this country. You are being naive if you think that some of your tax money doesn't go for programs and policies that help others... and that this does NOTHING for you. If it helps the country, it helps you.

    Whenever I think about this stuff, I am always reminded of the old BELL commercial from before the phone company break-up. The catch phrase was "We're All Connected". Denying this fact is ridiculous. We ARE all connected.
    This is a problem. We are connected again, because of years of regulatory and tort abuse, what happens to you has an affect on me because of any bad that happens to the care provider, because these bad things happen thousands of times a day worldwide, we get to suffer the affects through increases of cost. But instead of doing the difficult things and fixing problems, the morons on Capitol Hill are passing a complete piece of **** that will swing the pendulum completely towards the side of inefficiency and abuse.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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