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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I agree with most of what you say but I trust Obama to bring this country back to it's former prestige and glory. I am talking about back to before Nixon, Reagan, and Bush destroyed it.
    Now, I can agree with you that Obama is a well spoken, articulate, clean cut, and charismatic individual.... but has he shown that your trust in him is worthwhile??

    I also agree that Bush destroyed the country, but he did so with his policies, not his persona... in which a competition with Obama would put Obama with the win everytime. The fact of the matter is that Obama's policies haven't pulled back on Bush's agenda, he's expanded on ALL of Bush's policies by an order of magnitude. This health care bill is proof of that.

    I hope your trust in him is not so strong that you at least attempt to skim over the subsections that may be of interest to you?

    I mean, it's all good to HOPE, but if you read the bill and see that this cannot CONCEIVEABLY be in the long-term best interest of the people, in both taxes and in health care, are you honest enough to admit you were mistaken by his intent?

    Or do you support him soo much that you feel that it's a good thing that he is systematically federalizing essentially everything politically in the US?? Which if you say yes, in spite of an overused analogy, Hitler was democratically elected in a landslide victory.

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Looks like that idiot Reid voted against it before he voted for it.

    Reid casts wrong vote on health care for second time - CNN.com
    As if you get to 'correct' your vote... did he NOT get the memo that the correct answer was yay?
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I agree with most of what you say but I trust Obama to bring this country back to it's former prestige and glory. I am talking about back to before Nixon, Reagan, and Bush destroyed it.
    So Carter (55 mph, fabricated gasolines shortages, weak-spined, bullied by Iran) and Clinton (Whitewater, bj's in the oval office, sperm on a blue dress, definition of the word "is") somehow escaped your "prestige and glory" test?

    And now you expect the greasiest Chicago politician ever who hates capitalism with a passion to restore it?

    LOL
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So Carter (55 mph, fabricated gasolines shortages, weak-spined, bullied by Iran) and Clinton (Whitewater, bj's in the oval office, sperm on a blue dress, definition of the word "is") somehow escaped your "prestige and glory" test?

    And now you expect the greasiest Chicago politician ever who hates capitalism with a passion to restore it?

    LOL
    I am taking it you do not have a link....
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    Ugh, it annoys me to no end to see Nancy Pelosi's fake smile calling this legislation a "gift" to the American people. Yeah, some gift, what a benevolent government to bestow this on us. What's that? We are forced to pay for this? What a putz.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I am taking it you do not have a link....
    I have two eyes and a brain, and I know who his mentors and friends are.


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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So Carter (55 mph, fabricated gasolines shortages, weak-spined, bullied by Iran) and Clinton (Whitewater, bj's in the oval office, sperm on a blue dress, definition of the word "is") somehow escaped your "prestige and glory" test?

    LOL
    I see you are another revisionist. The 55 law was enacted by Nixon. Also gas lines and high prices started with the first Arab oil embargo which also happened under Nixon. Inflation was out of control during the Nixon/Ford years. Nixon even enacted the wage and price freeze which was the worst assault on the free market system up until Bush bailed out Wall St.

    Iranian students over ran the US embassy and held the occupants hostage. All of the hostages were eventually released. In your mind this was worse than the 3000+ killed on 9/11 during GWBs watch? Bush was bullied by a small band of extremists and the extremists won.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    I see you are another revisionist. The 55 law was enacted by Nixon. Also gas lines and high prices started with the first Arab oil embargo which also happened under Nixon. Inflation was out of control during the Nixon/Ford years. Nixon even enacted the wage and price freeze which was the worst assault on the free market system up until Bush bailed out Wall St.

    Iranian students over ran the US embassy and held the occupants hostage. All of the hostages were eventually released. In your mind this was worse than the 3000+ killed on 9/11 during GWBs watch? Bush was bullied by a small band of extremists and the extremists won.
    Fair enough on Nixon, but it was Carter who had ships full of oil sitting in harbors, driving up gas prices and creating 2-hour lines at gas stations just for his political purposes.

    And Iran laughed at him through the crisis. As soon as they saw Reagan coming, they ended it.

    And only in your little liberal mind could you somehow attach Bush to 9-11 in that manner.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    I am taking it you do not have a link....
    Obama’s Real Thoughts About Capitalism, from Mr. Obama’s first autobiography, Dreams From My Father, (pp 50-1).

    And after a few months of closer scrutiny, he began to realize that the city had indeed had an effect on me, although not the one he’d expected. I stopped getting high. I ran three miles a day and fasted on Sundays. [...] I was confirming Sadik’s estimation of the city’s allure, I suppose; its consequent power to corrupt. With the Wall Street boom, Manhattan was humming, new developments cropping up everywhere; men and women barely out of their twenties already enjoying ridiculous wealth, the fashion merchants fast on their heels. The beauty, the filth, the noise, and the excess, all of it dazzled my senses; there seemed no constraints on originality of lifestyles or the manufacture of desire-a more expensive restaurant, a finer suit of clothes, a more exclusive nightspot, a more beautiful woman, a more potent high. Uncertain of my ability to steer a course of moderation, fearful of falling into old habits, I took on the temperament if not the convictions of a street corner preacher, prepared to see temptation everywhere, ready to overrun a fragile will.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Fair enough on Nixon, but it was Carter who had ships full of oil sitting in harbors, driving up gas prices and creating 2-hour lines at gas stations just for his political purposes.

    And Iran laughed at him through the crisis. As soon as they saw Reagan coming, they ended it.

    And only in your little liberal mind could you somehow attach Bush to 9-11 in that manner.
    LOL You really do make up your own history, don't you?
    Please do some research before you make a complete fool of yourself.

    There were gas shortages under Carter due to the second oil crisis. It was Nixon's price controls that also drove up prices.

    "The 1979 (or second) oil crisis in the United States occurred in the wake of the Iranian Revolution. Amid massive protests, the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, fled his country in early 1979, allowing the Ayatollah Khomeini to gain control. The protests shattered the Iranian oil sector. While the new regime resumed oil exports, it was inconsistent and at a lower volume, forcing prices to go up. Saudi Arabia and other OPEC nations, under the presidency of Dr. Mana Alotaiba increased production to offset the decline, and the overall loss in production was about 4 percent.[2] However, a widespread panic resulted, driving the price far higher than would be expected under normal circumstances."

    Reagan made a deal with terrorists to obtain the release of the hostages. I am sure they were terrified of the ex actor, ex governor of the looney state. He was so scary.
    The hostage crisis was an attack on US soil just as 9/11 was. The attack did occur on Bush's watch just as the hostage taking occurred on Carters. If you blame Carter, you must blame Bush. Bush will always be attached to 9/11 as Carter is to the hostage crisis. It is part of history unless you're in denial..
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