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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Ignore the doom and gloom, the market might take a big hit this week but it will recover.

    There are a few things to consider.
    Premiums will go up, it's been admitted even by the Democrats.
    The true cost of the program is not completely apparent yet, because they haven't passed all the legislation associated with it.

    It really depends on what you think is important but if it's the national debt.
    You won't like this bill.
    I forget if this was from factcheck or politifact, but the premiums will go up by a very small amount. I want to see under 3 % for most people, iirc.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    I can handle paying extra taxes in order to make sure someone's child can go see a pediatrician, or a dentist. I don't like paying taxes for a turtle habitat in the Galapagos or bridges to nowhere or revitalizing downtown main street.

    So I wouldn't mind increased spending on health care reform if it actually delivers. I'd like to see the cost offset by more responsible spending elsewhere. And no, I'm not talking about bull**** earmark reform.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I don't get it. Why do those that were against the bill, think that Insurance companies and corporations are really going to help them? Insurance companies, special interest groups, and conservative pundits were the ones that would have won had the bill not passed.
    It has nothing to do with that.
    It has to do with making the right choice, not the "insert political party" choice.

    No one even entertained the ideas that could actually fix the problems.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Goodness, do you not know that, initially, insurance companies and drug companies will get a very nice pay out from this.

    You didn't even read the bill.
    I might even teach the supporters of this bill a lesson, make millions off of the health portion of my license, then surrender it and just make a living off of goverrnment freebies at their expense. I mean.....all the cool kids are doing it right.

    Kidding of course, I detest the mentality that everyone is entitled to others money, and it is only getting worse.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I forget if this was from factcheck or politifact, but the premiums will go up by a very small amount. I want to see under 3 % for most people, iirc.
    Depends, for the people that get no subsidy it will be about 10%.
    People who get it, won't be phased much.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I can handle paying extra taxes in order to make sure someone's child can go see a pediatrician, or a dentist. I don't like paying taxes for a turtle habitat in the Galapagos or bridges to nowhere or revitalizing downtown main street.
    Other people aren't my responsibility, and I am sick and ****ing tired of literally everyone getting access to other people's money, services, and time. This needs to end, not expand like this bill seeks to do.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I don't get it. Why do those that were against the bill, think that Insurance companies and corporations are really going to help them? Insurance companies, special interest groups, and conservative pundits were the ones that would have won had the bill not passed.
    People are just plain stupid, that's why.
    The Republicans and consevatives told them lies and chatter to get them to side with them with the insurance companies and drug companies and doctors and HMO's and hospitals that refuse to lower their costs, greedy SOB's that they are. And the stupid people rallied in the streets on behalf of the lobbyists, doing their dirty work for them. I liken it to the Jews who led other Jews to the ovens. Forgive the hyperbole.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

    Huzzzah for my pay check to be raped even more.
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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Other people aren't my responsibility, and I am sick and ****ing tired of literally everyone getting access to other people's money, services, and time.
    Maybe you should find somewhere else to live, then, because this is modern civilization.

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    Re: Health Care Bill has passed

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    Very simple, every single company on the stock exchange has money invested in insurance companies, this bill targets them for destruction. If "big insurance" goes down, everyone else loses money. There is a reason health insurance is called 1/6 of the U.S. economy. You won't get better or even equivalent insurance through the public "option" because the government cannot possibly manage or fund it, it will be overused, and will constantly eat away at our coffers. Certain voters wanted cancer, and cancer won. Hooray cancer!{sarcasm off}

    No one knows the true magnitude of the pain coming, but I guarantee it will be worse than a Celine Dion concert.
    Health insurance is not 1/6 of the US economy.

    Health care costs in the US are equal to around 15% of the US GDP, with at least last year 40% or so being covered by the various governments. Meaning healt insurance would be at most 1/11 of the US.

    Also the government will not allow health care to be overused, as it will restrict usage depending on funding. Expensive options will most likely not be covered by the government side, making less expensive options the primary choice
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