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    House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    Excerpted from “House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'” By Lori Montgomery, Washington Post Staff Writer, The Washington Post, Saturday, March 20, 2010; 2:31 PM
    House leaders have decided to take a separate vote on the Senate health-care bill, rejecting an earlier, much-criticized strategy that would have permitted them to "deem" the unpopular measure passed without an explicit vote.

    Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-Md.) said Saturday that the House would take three votes Sunday: first, on a resolution that will set the terms of debate; second, on a package of amendments to the Senate bill that have been demanded by House members; and third, on the Senate bill itself.

    Van Hollen, who has been working on the issue with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), said House leaders concluded that that order -- approving the amendments before approving the Senate bill -- makes clear that the House intends to modify the Senate bill and not approve the Senate bill itself. …
    I support two separate up and down House votes on the Senate bill and on the reconciliation bill. I am glad that the ‘deem and pass’ process will not be used to pass the most important health care initiative in nearly half a century.
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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    I support two separate up and down House votes on the Senate bill and on the reconciliation bill. I am glad that the ‘deem and pass’ process will not be used to pass the most important health care initiative in nearly half a century.
    While I disagree on the bill, I'm glad you don't support the ethically challenged "deem and pass" rule.
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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    While I disagree on the bill, I'm glad you don't support the ethically challenged "deem and pass" rule.
    Ethically challenged is a good word for it, along with the filibuster and reconciliation.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Ethically challenged is a good word for it, along with the filibuster and reconciliation.
    I don't mind a simple majority in the House but the Senate should always have a super majority vote.

    Truth be told, if I had my way perfectly; all bills would require a super majority to become law and all repeals would require a 25% vote.

    We have to many damn laws.
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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    leadership was all set on the DEEM as of THIS MORNING

    something's changed

    that's a very, very bad sign for passage

    they now have to vote on the senate bill as is?

    very dicey

    why the change in approach so late?

    obama just got finished addressing the caucus

    he sounded first off very defensive

    this is NOT a bad bill...

    doing nothing is WORSE...

    then, he became kinda beggarly

    we really need you to do this...

    i'll tell you, he did NOT sound confident

    the room felt very sad, a lot like this forum

    i was sincerely quite surprised

    looks like something might be up

    why was pelosi meeting with stupak this morning, only to call it off?

    why are they still working it so hard?

    why all the changes?

    we'll see

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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    chief actuarial at hhs writes letter to mcconnell and fellow gop'ers, saying:

    1. there is NO TIME to score the reconcile

    2. by the white house's OWN FIGURING---hhs, jan 8---the senate bill bends the cost curve UP by 222B

    3. it will also result in a shortage of services

    Republican.Senate.Gov - Blogs

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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    rasmussen has pieface at an all time low approval of 43%

    against FIFTY SIX PERCENT PISSED OFF!

    Daily Presidential Tracking Poll - Rasmussen Reports

    ouch!

    DEEMS damn

    even when they're DUMPED

    da noib!

    rasmussen was the #1 pollster in the nation in 08, he pegged obama/mccain within one point

    he's also number one in 04 and 06

    http://www.fordham.edu/images/academ...20election.pdf

    sorry

    scott rasmussen, by the way, is the creator of espn, a little human interest

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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I don't mind a simple majority in the House but the Senate should always have a super majority vote.

    Truth be told, if I had my way perfectly; all bills would require a super majority to become law and all repeals would require a 25% vote.

    We have to many damn laws.
    Why should the Senate require a super majority?

    If you had your way, we'd never have won WW2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Why should the Senate require a super majority?

    If you had your way, we'd never have won WW2.
    The votes to declare war against Japan, Germany, and Italy were 82-0, 88-0, and 90-0 respectively. How do you figure that the filibuster would have made us lose WWII?
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    Re: House leaders plan separate health vote, rejecting 'deem and pass'

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The votes to declare war against Japan, Germany, and Italy were 82-0, 88-0, and 90-0 respectively. How do you figure that the filibuster would have made us lose WWII?
    More than 25% voted against the lend-lease act, for instance. There were a lot of other war provisions that I'm sure more than 25% might have voted against if that were enough to repeal something. However, that's off-topic and I'm not willing to put any more effort into researching it :P
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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