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Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

marduc said:
nice strawman.
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Strawman? You are the one who said "How much money was used to get these 55 arrests? I mean this is just screams massive waste and inefficiency,"

So buy that argument of yours we should ignore criminals because it cost money to do something about it.
 
marduc said:
nice strawman.
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How is that a strawman?.....:confused:
Anyway, are you saying that confiscating two keys of meth is insignificant?....
I beg to differ......
With regard to the cost, drunk driving check points, prostitution stings & drug sweeps are all a part of effective law enforcement....;)
If some illegal scum get caught in the dragnet, better yet....;)
 
jamesrage said:
Strawman? You are the one who said "How much money was used to get these 55 arrests? I mean this is just screams massive waste and inefficiency,"

So buy that argument of yours we should ignore criminals because it cost money to do something about it.
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wrong answer, we should not waste resources in inefficient "feel good publicity operations" to snare criminals that are ineffective, and instead focus resources in a targeted efficient manner.

Big difference, and there is your strawman again, no one said anything about ignoring criminals and crime.
 
marduc said:
wrong answer, we should not waste resources in inefficient "feel good publicity operations" to snare criminals that are ineffective, and instead focus resources in a targeted efficient manner.

Big difference, and there is your strawman again, no one said anything about ignoring criminals and crime.
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You just did, claiming it was not 'cost effective'......:doh
 
marduc said:
wrong answer, we should not waste resources in inefficient "feel good publicity operations" to snare criminals that are ineffective, and instead focus resources in a targeted efficient manner.

Big difference, and there is your strawman again, no one said anything about ignoring criminals and crime.
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Bullshit , you sit there and bitch that catching criminals is waste of money. How are you going to say that is not an endorsement for ignoring criminals?
 
He's gone, he knows his arguement doesn't have a pierna to stand on......:lol:
 
Well hell if money is unlimited and we have infinite resources why don't we just hire 2 million cops for the county?

I mean to do otherwise is ignoring crime right?
 
marduc said:
Well hell if money is unlimited and we have infinite resources why don't we just hire 2 million cops for the county?

I mean to do otherwise is ignoring crime right?
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Well, it would help with the unemployment rate, maybe they can ask Obama for some stimulus funds.....:lol:
 
jallman said:
**** Joe. All that's gonna come from this is round after round of costly litigation.

Care to take a guess as to what the Maricopa County Supervisor's Meeting minutes say about that man's tactics? Care to take a guess where they squarely lay blame for their budget shortfalls?
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And possibly they be wrong. Why do supervisor want to pander to the illegals?
 
So nobody has a theory why Joe's political opponents keep being investigated by him for bogus charges? Do we all share my analysis that he is abusing his power to harass personal foes, or does anyone have an alternative explanation?
 
rathi said:
So nobody has a theory why Joe's political opponents keep being investigated by him for bogus charges? Do we all share my analysis that he is abusing his power to harass personal foes, or does anyone have an alternative explanation?
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Don't know, don't really care...;)
But I do care that he is rounding up drugs & illegals......:rock
 
rathi said:
So nobody has a theory why Joe's political opponents keep being investigated by him for bogus charges? Do we all share my analysis that he is abusing his power to harass personal foes, or does anyone have an alternative explanation?
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Not all is squeeky clean in the supervisors. Since the Goldwater Inst. report started some of this, read this one.
High Fliers: How Political Insiders Gained an Edge in Sky Harbor Concessions | Goldwater Institute
Taking some shady loans by Mary Wilcox. This was one of the cases MCSO was involved in if I remember correctly. Board throws stones at MCSO, MCSO throws back. Isn't politics grand.:rofl
 
Partisan said:
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End of Day 1. If the 31 are illegals, hopefully they get deported. Go Joe!

PHOENIX -- The first night of Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio's latest crime-suppression sweep through metropolitan Phoenix yielded 55 arrests, deputies said.
Of the people arrested, 31 are suspected illegal immigrants, deputies said. Authorities also seized 275 pounds of marijuana and 4 1/2 pounds of methamphetamine.
Crime Sweep Yields 55 Arrests - Phoenix News Story - KPHO Phoenix


Looks pretty effective to me.......;)
I find it amusing that those of the liberal/commie slant are worried about how much a 'social program' costs!.........:rofl
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You do realize that this is very inefficient use of police resources as compared to the standard procedure has already been demonstrated by an objective, third party, right? Right?

No, let's not let facts get in the way of good Sheriff Joe circle jerk. :doh
 
mike2810 said:
And possibly they be wrong. Why do supervisor want to pander to the illegals?
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Possibly...but you guys have done zero to show otherwise. 31 illegals and 275lbs of marijuana. Yeah, that's not even putting a dent into the problem compared to the standard operations. It's not even a shallow scratch.
 
jamesrage said:
Bullshit , you sit there and bitch that catching criminals is waste of money. How are you going to say that is not an endorsement for ignoring criminals?
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That's not the point he made at all. His point was that 55 arrests in one night is small potatoes...probably about average for any night. This "big operation" hasn't done what you guys keep desperately attempting to prove it's done. And it probably (but I don't know yet until more reports come out) has costed more than the average night. It's mostly likely wildly inefficient and anything but fiscally responsible.

And we haven't even seen the court challenges that will come out of it. :shrug:
 
jallman said:
That's not the point he made at all. His point was that 55 arrests in one night is small potatoes...probably about average for any night. This "big operation" hasn't done what you guys keep desperately attempting to prove it's done. And it probably (but I don't know yet until more reports come out) has costed more than the average night. It's mostly likely wildly inefficient and anything but fiscally responsible.

And we haven't even seen the court challenges that will come out of it. :shrug:
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Probably only caught 55 cause the publicity warned all the even vaguely smart criminals to lay low for the night…
 
The Mark said:
Probably only caught 55 cause the publicity warned all the even vaguely smart criminals to lay low for the night…
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I find that incredibly hard to believe. I imagine of those 55, probably 10-15 of them already had bench warrants and that's what they were arrested on so there was no crime prevention at all with them.

I just need to see some statistics on the breakdown of what the arrests were for. If it was 55 drug dealers all charged with distribution and intent to sell, I would call it a mild success. If it was 4 drug dealers, 15 people with bench warrants for failure to appear in traffic court, 10 drunk drivers, and an assortment of domestic violence, public drunkeness, and bar fights, then I would be hesitant to call it anything but just another night.
 
jallman said:
I find that incredibly hard to believe. I imagine of those 55, probably 10-15 of them already had bench warrants and that's what they were arrested on so there was no crime prevention at all with them.

I just need to see some statistics on the breakdown of what the arrests were for. If it was 55 drug dealers all charged with distribution and intent to sell, I would call it a mild success. If it was 4 drug dealers, 15 people with bench warrants for failure to appear in traffic court, 10 drunk drivers, and an assortment of domestic violence, public drunkeness, and bar fights, then I would be hesitant to call it anything but just another night.
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I have no idea.

My statement was made with a element of humor in mind.
 
The Mark said:
I have no idea.

My statement was made with a element of humor in mind.
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I know. I got the humor in it. I just don't give criminals that much credit. :mrgreen:

I'm just saying it's easy to spin this into a success and that's what one would want to do because on the surface, this Sheriff Joe guy seems like he would be a hero and I am sure his heart is in the right place despite most of his activities looking more like showboating than anything else. I've just learned in my life that if someone is really a hero, then they will remain a hero even after being treated with a little skepticism.
 
Not all is squeeky clean in the supervisors. Since the Goldwater Inst. report started some of this, read this one.
High Fliers: How Political Insiders Gained an Edge in Sky Harbor Concessions | Goldwater Institute
Taking some shady loans by Mary Wilcox. This was one of the cases MCSO was involved in if I remember correctly. Board throws stones at MCSO, MCSO throws back. Isn't politics grand.
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Thomas got thrown off the case for conflict of interest and the judge pointed out the unacceptable behavior by both Thomas and Arpaio throughout the whole investigation. Wilcox may actually have committed a crime, but that doesn't excuse the illegal actions through which Arpaio went after her.
 
rathi said:
Thomas got thrown off the case for conflict of interest and the judge pointed out the unacceptable behavior by both Thomas and Arpaio throughout the whole investigation. Wilcox may actually have committed a crime, but that doesn't excuse the illegal actions through which Arpaio went after her.
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The reason for my post wasy some pointed to the Goldwater Report that MCSO is not run very well. Then someone wanted to it explained why MCSO went after some country supervisors. I provided another Goldwater report outlining the possible illegal dealings of Wilcox. That is what MCSO looked into and other charges.

I realize a Grand Jury is looking into "Joe". Until he is charged and proven guilty, IMO he is breaking no law with the "sweeps" he is doing.
 
jallman said:
I know. I got the humor in it. I just don't give criminals that much credit. :mrgreen:

I'm just saying it's easy to spin this into a success and that's what one would want to do because on the surface, this Sheriff Joe guy seems like he would be a hero and I am sure his heart is in the right place despite most of his activities looking more like showboating than anything else. I've just learned in my life that if someone is really a hero, then they will remain a hero even after being treated with a little skepticism.
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Could it be, it was a perfectly normal day, and they just did a press conference to make it seem special?
 
"Maricopa County Sheriff's deputies arrested 111 people during a two-day crime-suppression sweep that ended Friday night.

Of those arrested, 78 are suspected of being in the U.S. illegally, a spokesman for the Sheriff's Office said.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio said that his deputies were not arresting people without cause, and that the majority of those arrested were suspected of having committed felonies."

Sheriff's 14th Valley crime sweep nets 111

At the end of the sweep, officials said they'd arrested 111 people and seized nearly five pounds of methamphetamines and nearly 900 pounds of marijuana
 
mike2810 said:
"Maricopa County Sheriff's deputies arrested 111 people during a two-day crime-suppression sweep that ended Friday night.

Of those arrested, 78 are suspected of being in the U.S. illegally, a spokesman for the Sheriff's Office said.

Sheriff Joe Arpaio said that his deputies were not arresting people without cause, and that the majority of those arrested were suspected of having committed felonies."

Sheriff's 14th Valley crime sweep nets 111

At the end of the sweep, officials said they'd arrested 111 people and seized nearly five pounds of methamphetamines and nearly 900 pounds of marijuana
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You cannot argue with those numbers unless you are pro crime...:doh
 
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