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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    What? Those states are not liberal enough for you so you want them squelched?
    Their politics are irrelevent. Their refusal to stay within the rule of law is what displeases me.

    The government of the south cannot seem to remain on the level. This is why the feds need to have the ability to put a foot in corrupt southern ass.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Their politics is irrelevent. Their refusal to stay within the rule of law is what displeases me.

    The government of the south cannot seem to remain on the level. This is why the feds need to have the ability to put a foot in corrupt southern ass.
    How is rounding up illegal aliens refusing to stay within the law?.......

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    How is rounding up illegal aliens refusing to stay within the law?.......
    I think Vader is under the impression that being able to wear what you want in jail, air conditioning, cable tv, and many other luxuries are constitutional rights and should be extended to inmates.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    My parents immigrated to the US in 1955 legally. They had passports and sponsors as provided by law, and obtained legal residency. They spoke little to no English, but got jobs and went to work. They got no preferential treatment, bilingual support or govt handouts. They are now comfortably retired by the efforts of their own hands. That's what I expect of immigrants coming here today.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Arpaio is a disgrace to law enforcement and its pathetic how he can get away with incredible corruption just by pandering against illegal immigrants. He has cost the county incredible amounts of money from illegal treatment at his jail and uses police powers to harass those who criticize him. His "street sweeps" are a grave insult to the constitution. I understand folks wanting to the police do something about illegal immigration, but that doesn't excuse justifying his unacceptable behavior. You can easily enforce the law without breaking it in the process.
    If you statement was valid, believe me this sheriff would have been dismissed long ago.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    They got no preferential treatment, bilingual support or govt handouts.
    I just want to point out that these issues are entirely different issues than the actual immigration laws.

    Imposing extremely tough illegal immigration laws does nothing whatsoever to alleviate these problems.

    My personal stance is that issues such as these are the one's we should be focusing on. This is because the lion's share of the "costs" associated with illegal immigration are found in these problems. But more importantly, these problems are also, at their root, related to other sweeping problems across the nation that extend beyond the issue of immigration.

    The immigration thing is, for the most part, scapegoating and a red herring for the what I believe is the real problem. Which is the Federal government overstepping it's bounds due to a Hamiltonian interpretation of the constitution, specifically the "General Welfare" clause.

    I'm personally against such liberal interpretations of "General Welfare" for the purposes of entitlements just as much I'm against such liberal interpretations of "Invaders" for the purposes of imposing Federalized immigration laws.

    Both of these issues should be left to the States.

    But that position naturally follows from my ultra-small-government anti-federalist point of view. My positions are more like those of Madison and Jefferson, who had more anti-federalist leanings and were the leaders in opposition to Hamilton's Federalist positions.

    Hence my Madisonian stance on the "General Welfare" clause, and my previous quoting of Thomas Jefferson regarding the lack of Federal authority regarding immigration laws.

    My problem is that modern "conservatives" tend to be a mix between the Hamiltonian and Jeffersonian viewpoints. They become Hamiltonian when they agree with the federal legislation, and Jeffersonian when they disagree with it. All too often, the basic principles of small governemnt only apply in situations where they disagree with the legislation in question.

    In this regard, politically speaking, the majority of modern conservatives are no better than modern liberals, IMO.
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