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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Wow, which side of the fence are you on?
    I'm a conservative, so I think the issue is one of State's rights.

    While I disagree with Arizona's Legislation, I think they are correct in passing legislation about immigration in their state, because it's not a federal issue, contrary to what liberals who don't understand the definition of "invasion" within the context of the constitution will tell you.

    This is what I mean about not allowing my personal views to cause someone to jump to a totally retarded conclusion about my political leanings. I'm much more of a small-government conservative than any of the liberals who argue for a reinterpretation of the constitution to give the Federal government authority over that which is expressly retained by the states because the Federal governemnt only has authority over military matters (hence the correct definition of "invasion" I alluded to earlier, matters of interstate commerce, and diplomatic issues with foreign nations.

    That is it. Only the individual State has a right to decide who is a legal resident of that state.

    But these hyper-liberal anti-illegal immigration types who want the federal government to have the authority over the states are the biggest problem in this country because they dishonestly refer to themselves as "small-government" conservatives when they regularly **** on small-government conservative principles.

    Personally, I will support legislation even if I don't agree with it when it upholds true small-government principles.

    That's why I oppose the federal government stepping in and offering amnesty to illegal immigrants. It is not their purview.

    Even though I am very much in favor of simplified immigration laws, I prefer them to be instituted by the states. I support any legislation in Illinois that makes it easier for Illegal immigrants to find amnesty here. Let other states decide if they want to bar these people at their leisure, and let the federal government keep their goddamn noses out of it.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Could the foothold of Mexican drug gangs be considered a clear & present danger & a harbinger of domestic violence?......
    They only exist due to the hyper-liberal drug laws in this country. That should also be up to the states.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Boomyal View Post
    Hmmmm? I don't see where that section defines invaders as those who enter by force while conquering us and pillaging us.

    "The United States shall guarantee to every state in this union a republican form of government, and shall protect each of them against invasion; and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence."

    According to Dictionary.com, one of the several definitions of 'invasion' is this:

    "infringement by intrusion."
    But that is not the one that fits the context of a document that limits the federal government's authority to military, interstate and international commerce, and international diplomatic matters.

    But at this point I expect hyper-liberals such as yourself to continue to argue the "living document" reinterpretation nonsense though so that you can expand the federal authority. You libs always do that, regardless if the definitions you are using make no sense in the context of the document.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    I'm a conservative, so I think the issue is one of State's rights.


    That is it. Only the individual State has a right to decide who is a legal resident of that state.
    I disagree. Article IV Section. 2.

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

    The ninth and tenth amendments have never been fully tested in the Court. I doubt that an argument about states rights could ever be won by citing these two amendments. After all, corporations are people.

    I would not mind an amendment to make supreme court justices constitutional officers instead of picked for life by the president.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I disagree. Article IV Section. 2.

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States."

    The ninth and tenth amendments have never been fully tested in the Court. I doubt that an argument about states rights could ever be won by citing these two amendments. After all, corporations are people.

    I would not mind an amendment to make supreme court justices constitutional officers instead of picked for life by the president.
    Notice the terminology: Citizen of each state. Not Citizens of the United States.

    That clearly and obviously means it is up to each State to determine who comprises their own citizens. Once they become a citizen of a state, they become a citizen of the US. NOT the other way around. That's how we started ****ing up the country. We flipped the hierarchy and gave more authority to the feds.



    On top of that, I said "legal resident", not "citizen", so even though Article IV section 2 makes it obvious that it is the individual State that decides who its own citizens are, it becomes a moot point anyway when discussing legal residency.



    And I point everyone to the words of Thomas Jefferson, again:

    That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that “the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the — day of July, 1798, intituled “An Act concerning aliens,” which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.
    The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

    "...that no power over them has been delegated to the United States."


    Pretty clear statement. Now, I realize that this simple fact is obvious as all hell, given the terminology and powers delegated to the Federal government in the constitution.

    The only foreigners that fall under federal authority are those from countries that are enemy nations. These would be nations such as Iran, North Korea, Cuba etc. Because that would be a military/diplomatic matter (which are matters that the Federal government does have authority over)

    Not Mexico, not Poland, not Haiti, etc. Those are nations we have friendly relations with, and thus their people are classified as Friendly aliens.

    Thus, they are left to the jurisdiction of the States they reside in.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as Sheriff Joe Arpaio gets the job done he will probably keep getting elected until the day he is too old to be sheriff and that pisses off a lot of pro-illegals and other criminal sympathizers.
    Sheriff Joe is a nazi douche who needs to be removed from office.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Notice the terminology: Citizen of each state. Not Citizens of the United States.

    That clearly and obviously means it is up to each State to determine who comprises their own citizens. Once they become a citizen of a state, they become a citizen of the US. NOT the other way around. That's how we started ****ing up the country. We flipped the hierarchy and gave more authority to the feds.



    On top of that, I said "legal resident", not "citizen", so even though Article IV section 2 makes it obvious that it is the individual State that decides who its own citizens are, it becomes a moot point anyway when discussing legal residency.



    And I point everyone to the words of Thomas Jefferson, again:



    The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

    "...that no power over them has been delegated to the United States."


    Pretty clear statement. Now, I realize that this simple fact is obvious as all hell, given the terminology and powers delegated to the Federal government in the constitution.

    The only foreigners that fall under federal authority are those from countries that are enemy nations. These would be nations such as Iran, North Korea, Cuba etc. Because that would be a military/diplomatic matter (which are matters that the Federal government does have authority over)

    Not Mexico, not Poland, not Haiti, etc. Those are nations we have friendly relations with, and thus their people are classified as Friendly aliens.

    Thus, they are left to the jurisdiction of the States they reside in.
    The feds have to have the ability to control corrupt southern states like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The feds have to have the ability to control corrupt southern states like Texas, Georgia, Alabama, and Mississippi.

    What? Those states are not liberal enough for you so you want them squelched?

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Sheriff Joe is a nazi douche who needs to be removed from office.
    Let's see now. A sheriff who acts within the law, to uphold the law is now a Nazi? If that is the kind of view you get while standing in the 'middle' of the road, watch out, you are likely to get run over.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Sheriff Joe is a nazi douche who needs to be removed from office.
    Upholding the law makes someone equivalent to someone who committed atrocities in WWII and some racist inbreeds? What the fuck have you been learning in school? Perhaps if you were not playing your startrek/starwars actions figures, going to nerd trek conventions to ask desperate out of work actors stupid ass questions about the shows, getting into arguments with your trekkie/starwars nerd friends which series is better and other stupid ass shit in school you might have been able to pay attention in your classes and therefor not make some stupid ass comparison of a law enforcement official to a piece of shit nazi..
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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