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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Arpaio is a disgrace to law enforcement and its pathetic how he can get away with incredible corruption just by pandering against illegal immigrants. He has cost the county incredible amounts of money from illegal treatment at his jail and uses police powers to harass those who criticize him. His "street sweeps" are a grave insult to the constitution. I understand folks wanting to the police do something about illegal immigration, but that doesn't excuse justifying his unacceptable behavior. You can easily enforce the law without breaking it in the process.
    I find it highly amusing that people call this man a hero without knowing the full extent of the abuses that "Sheriff Joe" commits. While I agree wholeheartedly with a tough stance on immigration, I cannot agree with the measures Sheriff Joe takes. Abuses ranging from tent cities that, while probably acceptable for the violent offender who is in for life, are not acceptable for the kid that got busted with less than an ounce of pot in college...to plastering tattle tell numbers on county vehicles so people can call in and "report" their neighbors for being illegals.

    This is not acceptable and, while it may appear on the surface to save money by putting criminals in tent cities, etc, it actually costs a huge amount of money to litigate the justified civil rights suits that come about because of these deviations from standard penal code practices. And this isn't even getting into all the investigation of his using the police force to harass and threaten journalists and other critics. There's nothing conservative about supporting Sheriff Joe. Nothing at all.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    I can think of a lot of heroes in the criminal justice system. Ted Poe, a congressman from Texas, is one of mine. But Joe Arpaio isn't one of them. Joe belongs in some banana republic without a constitution since that's where his tactics come from.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I can think of a lot of heroes in the criminal justice system. Ted Poe, a congressman from Texas, is one of mine. But Joe Arpaio isn't one of them. Joe belongs in some banana republic without a constitution since that's where his tactics come from.
    Really. What laws in the Constitution has he broken?

    You hear this a lot but no one can actually point to any, just make the baseless charge.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Really. What laws in the Constitution has he broken?

    You hear this a lot but no one can actually point to any, just make the baseless charge.
    I would say he dances all over the eighth amendment with his tent cities. He also totally walks over the fourth amendment with his "report an illegal" tip hotlines. Further, he has blatantly curbed First Amendment rights with his use of the police force to harass journalists in the past when they criticized him.

    It is so amusing to me how some who try to call themselves conservatives have this deranged notion that anything dickish, boorish, and obtuse automatically falls in line with conservative values without ever really analyzing the point of contention.

    "Derrrr, Sheriff Joe makes prisoners wear pink underwear and rounds up illegals. I like being an asshole and so does he...that's means he's a conservative like me!!! Derrrrrrr."

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Really. What laws in the Constitution has he broken?

    You hear this a lot but no one can actually point to any, just make the baseless charge.
    This is probably the best summary, a report from the Goldwater Institute, a rabidly far left think tank.

    http://www.goldwaterinstitute.org/Co...complished.pdf

    Here's a good section:

    Other jurisdictions, such as the Mesa Police Department, focus on violent crimes and determine immigration status after the suspects are booked into jail.40

    Even for MCSO, that approach yields far more illegal immigrants: The Republic reports that MCSO jailers have identified 16,000 illegal immigrants during the booking process, compared to 2,000 who have been arrested by the human smuggling unit and only 200 or so who have been arrested in sweeps.41

    But MCSO has diverted substantial resources away from other law-enforcement activities to the immigration sweeps and the human-smuggling unit.42 As Arpaio described it, “We are quickly becoming a full-fledged anti-illegal immigration agency.”43 The eight sweeps have involved hundreds of deputies and thousands of work days.44 Th e Tribune found that “MCSO has repeatedly used regular patrol deputies for immigration enforcement.”45 The human smuggling unit was staffed through “temporary” reassignments of deputies from patrol units, many of which were not replaced.

    In addition to diverting patrol deputies from their normal assignments, the shift in focus resulted in massive overtime. Shortly after the ICE contract was signed, deputies amassed 4,500 extra hours per two-week pay period, compared to the previous average of 2,900 overtime hours. The predictable result was a $1.3 million deficit in MCSO’s budget in only three months. The sheriff covered part of the deficit by keeping patrol division positions unfilled, to the tune of 66 deputies. Meanwhile, the sheriff curtailed overtime. On at least one occasion, as many as 46 criminal defendants missed their court appearances because deputies were told to skip overtime.46

    Likewise, immigration enforcement diminished. As the Tribune reports, MCSO “eliminated its deficit,” but “deputies now rarely arrest illegal immigrants under the state smuggling law, MCSO records show, even when suspects are clearly involved in human smuggling.”47

    MCSO’s massive diversion of resources into policing illegal immigration—largely in communities such as Phoenix and Mesa that have police departments—coincides with growing rates of violent crimes, plummeting arrest rates, and increased response time to citizens’ calls for help.48 At the same time, the Republic found that crime rates in areas that were the subject of saturation raids were largely unchanged after the sweeps.49
    I will almost NEVER criticize law enforcement on this board, but Joe Arpaio is a disgrace. What he has done has endangered his officers and others, trampled over basic constitutional rights, racked up huge costs, and made his city more dangerous. He's a complete moron.
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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Really. What laws in the Constitution has he broken?
    How does one really answer a question like this?

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How does one really answer a question like this?
    I know, right?

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Lets call Illegal immigrants what they really are Invaders, they cross the border without our permission and start street gangs that kill Americans. I say any illegals caught on gang related charges should be labelled enemy combatants and sent to Gitmo.


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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How does one really answer a question like this?
    You could start by pointing out what laws and parts of the constitution you think he has violated, then back up what you think with facts.
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Arizona sheriff launches immigration sweep

    Quote Originally Posted by OxymoronP View Post
    Lets call Illegal immigrants what they really are Invaders, they cross the border without our permission and start street gangs that kill Americans. I say any illegals caught on gang related charges should be labelled enemy combatants and sent to Gitmo.
    I can agree with that. But then it becomes a military matter and not one for "Sheriff Joe".

    And in any event, plastering "tattle tell" numbers on county vehicles is not the way to go about it.

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