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Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

In the news... no one knows for absolutely sure when or where AIDS started. Unless you're willing to provide absolute evidence for patient 000000000000000000000000000000000000000001 then that train of thought does not compute.

Embrace your denial, but it only got true recognition when people from the GAY community started dying off in large numbers.........:lol:
 
What the hell is that suppose to mean?
It means when AIDS was first discovered in the U.S. it was a gay mans disease and still is for the most part but bi sexual men have spread the disease to the straight population...........
 
Embrace your denial, but it only got true recognition when people from the GAY community started dying off in large numbers.........:lol:

AIDS began appearing in the late 19th century in primates in Sub-Sarahan Africa before it was eventually transferred to humans at sometime during the 20th century.

Spread to the western hemisphere
HIV-1 strains are thought to have arrived in the United States from Haiti in the late 1960s or early 1970s.[28] HIV-1 is believed to have arrived in Haiti from central Africa, possibly through professional contacts with the Democratic Republic of the Congo.[29]

Because of the long incubation period of HIV (up to a decade or longer) before symptoms of AIDS appear, and because of the initially low incidence, AIDS was not noticed at first. By the time the first reported cases of AIDS were found in large United States cities, the prevalence of HIV infection in some communities had passed 5%.[30] Worldwide, HIV infection has spread from urban to rural areas, and has appeared in regions such as China and India.

[edit] Canadian flight attendant theory
A Canadian airline steward named Gaëtan Dugas was referred to as "Patient 0" in an early AIDS study by Dr. William Darrow of the Centers for Disease Control. Many people consider Dugas to be responsible for bringing HIV to North America. This is considered inaccurate, as HIV had spread long before Dugas began his career. This rumor may have started with Randy Shilts' 1987 book And the Band Played On (and the movie based on it, in which Dugas is referred to as AIDS' Patient Zero), but neither the book nor the movie state him to have been the first to bring the virus to North America. He was called "Patient Zero" because at least 40 of the 248 people known to be infected by AIDS in 1983 had had sexual intercourse with him, or with someone who had sexual intercourse with him.
 
He is probably active military...............;)

Dutch army chief of staff quits over Srebrenica massacre - Europe, World - The Independent

The Chief of Staff of the Dutch army resigned yesterday, a day after the entire Dutch cabinet quit in atonement for the role of the Netherlands in the worst massacre of the Bosnian War.


The Chief of Staff of the Dutch army resigned yesterday, a day after the entire cabinet quit in atonement for the role of the Netherlands in the worst massacre of the Bosnian war.

General Ad van Baal, 55, said he had no option but to go after a damning official report laid much of the blame for the UN peace-keeping mission's failure to prevent the Srebrenica massacre on the Dutch political and military top brass.
 
Ok. I'm gonna make one more statement before I call it pretty much case closed on this (hopefully)

I believe that the only way to substantiate these rediculous claims would be to talk to the soldiers who were there and let them tell us why things really happened the way they did.

Until that, this he said he said crap means absolutely nothing. I would hope that's something we could all agree on.
 
And in keeping with your dishonest persona you don't even provide the link to your definition nor did you answer my challenge to find where it is used in a Senate sub committee.

You quoted the link I provided. How you can say I did not provide a link, when it is in the very quote of me you made I do not even know. Keep making yourself look foolish, it's enjoyable.
 
It means when AIDS was first discovered in the U.S. it was a gay mans disease and still is for the most part but bi sexual men have spread the disease to the straight population...........

Really? No strait people had AIDS when it was discovered?
 
Really? No strait people had AIDS when it was discovered?

Very few straight men had it.....Even today very few straight men have it....It is primarily a gay mans disease.......Women are getting it more and more especially black women.
 
Very few straight men had it.....Even today very few straight men have it....It is primarily a gay mans disease.......Women are getting it more and more especially black women.

Actually, at the time, it was mostly an IV drug user disease. Those are largely strait men.

The disease is spread by certain activities, not by certain types of people. Get it right NP.
 
Actually, at the time, it was mostly an IV drug user disease. Those are largely strait men.

The disease is spread by certain activities, not by certain types of people. Get it right NP.

Yeah its spread by anal sex primarily....Catching it by drug use was pretty well eliminated around 1985.......AIDs hit the U.S. around 1980....That is when they closed down all the bath houses in The Peoples Republic of San Francisco and Seattle where there were hundreds of cases reported.......

I think it was way before your time redress.........
 
Embrace your denial, but it only got true recognition when people from the GAY community started dying off in large numbers.........:lol:

Oh, so you are backing off from your original statement. This is NOT what you said, before.
 
Yeah its spread by anal sex primarily....Catching it by drug use was pretty well eliminated around 1985.......AIDs hit the U.S. around 1980....That is when they closed down all the bath houses in The Peoples Republic of San Francisco and Seattle where there were hundreds of cases reported.......

I think it was way before your time redress.........

Not accurate, NP. One-third of all HIV cases, currently, are due to needle sharing/drug use.
 
Yeah its spread by anal sex primarily....Catching it by drug use was pretty well eliminated around 1985.......AIDs hit the U.S. around 1980....That is when they closed down all the bath houses in The Peoples Republic of San Francisco and Seattle where there were hundreds of cases reported.......

I think it was way before your time redress.........

Where the hell are you getting these figures, Navy? I think you're pulling them straight out of you ass to try to justify blaming AIDS on homos.

And the bath houses are still open. They never closed.

And if you want to be totally honest about this, AIDS is primarily and African and South American disease these days. Do you want to sit here and tell us all that South America and Africa are populated by nothing but those dirty, filthy homos running around synthesizing AIDS with their buttsecks?
 
Yeah its spread by anal sex primarily....Catching it by drug use was pretty well eliminated around 1985.......AIDs hit the U.S. around 1980....That is when they closed down all the bath houses in The Peoples Republic of San Francisco and Seattle where there were hundreds of cases reported.......

I think it was way before your time redress.........

1) since we are talking about when AIDS first hit, the reduction you allege since then is irrelevant.

2) there are several high risk activities, IV drug use, anal and promiscuous sex being among them

3) AIDS is a disease of those who engage in high risk activities primarily.

4) why are we talking about AIDS is this thread?
 
You quoted the link I provided. How you can say I did not provide a link, when it is in the very quote of me you made I do not even know. Keep making yourself look foolish, it's enjoyable.

The dishonesty just doesn't stop with you does it Redress?

The rest of my post:


And I can give you more definitions where it specifically mentions a court of law and unlike you, I'll be honest enough to link to those definitions.

Hearsay is information gathered by one person from another concerning some event, condition, or thing of which the first person had no direct experience. When submitted as evidence, such statements are called hearsay evidence. As a legal term, "hearsay" can also have the narrower meaning of the use of such information as evidence to prove the truth of what is asserted. Such use of "hearsay evidence" in court is generally not allowed.

Hearsay - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hearsay Hearsay

Hearsay in United States law

Hearsay in United States law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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And in that entire article it never ever discusses the Senate sub committee as a place where hearsay is used anywhere.

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Now, the reason I doubt his word is because it's hearsay,
Again not a court of law which you laughably tried to wiggle out of.

Your dishonesty is trying to use a term only used in a court of law and apply it to a hearing before the Senate in some vain attempt to discredit what he reporting hearing from the Dutch Army chief of staff.

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and as such useless, and there is an actual report done on the situation(we call this "evidence") that comes to a different conclusion. You believe only what you want to believe, whereas the rest of us look at the evidence and draw conclusions.
So, you have no evidence that he is lying.

NONE. ZERO. ZIP NADA. You have only your emotional feelings to base that on.

What a despicable excuse to distrust a man who served our country for decades honorably.


You used something only found in a court of law to devalue the man's statement. Willfully dishonest

You lied claiming I ignore your posts when I quoted you word for word in my responses

And to top it off, you dishonored yourself in suggesting a US general was lying when you have zero proof of it.

If you are going to pick and choose what you respond to because you aren't honest enough to admit when you misrepresent and lie about what was said there is no point in debating you.

I respond to everything you say point for point.

If you lack the courage, at least have the courtesy to debate all points.
 
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Actually, at the time, it was mostly an IV drug user disease. Those are largely strait men.

The disease is spread by certain activities, not by certain types of people. Get it right NP.

Wrong as usual Redress.

Try reading the history. IV drug use wasn't even considered until the 1983. It had been around since the mis 70s. When it broke out to all 6 continents, it was mostly homosexual men.

"A doctor was treating a gay man in his 20s who had pneumonia. Two weeks later, he called to ask for a refill of a rare drug that I handled. This was unusual - nobody ever asked for a refill. Patients usually were cured in one 10-day treatment or they died" - Sandra Ford for Newsweek 4

"Dr. Curran said there was no apparent danger to non homosexuals from contagion. 'The best evidence against contagion', he said, 'is that no cases have been reported to date outside the homosexual community or in women'" - The New York Times 11

In June a report of a group of cases amongst gay men in Southern California suggested that the disease might be caused by an infectious agent that was sexually transmitted.19


History of AIDS up to 1986

Get it right Redress :)
 
Yeah its spread by anal sex primarily....Catching it by drug use was pretty well eliminated around 1985.......AIDs hit the U.S. around 1980....That is when they closed down all the bath houses in The Peoples Republic of San Francisco and Seattle where there were hundreds of cases reported.......

I think it was way before your time redress.........

Don't bother. She never read the history of it. That much is obvious.
 
And to top it off, you dishonored yourself in suggesting a US general was lying when you have zero proof of it.

No, he dishonored our country by suggesting something that the Dutch leaders loudly reject and of which there is no evidence to support.

AP News said:
On Friday, Dutch Defense Minister Eimert van Middelkoop labeled Sheehan's comments "scandalous, and unworthy of a soldier."

"I have nothing more to say about it," van Middelkoop added. But his boss, Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, did.

"Toward Dutch troops, homosexual or heterosexual, it is way off the mark to talk like that about people and the work they do under very difficult circumstances," Balkenende told reporters.

That retired general is a disgrace to our country.
 
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