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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    FWIW, the official Dutch investigation into the situation makes no mention whatsoever to the sexual orientation of Dutch troops contributing in any way to what happened. The report can be found at:

    NIOD - Srebrenica

    A UN Newswire account of the Dutch commander's testimony during the Dutch inquiry also makes no mention of sexual orientation. That account can be found at:

    Dutch Commander Faults U.N. For Srebrenica Massacre; More

    In the end, General Sheehan provided no evidence to back up his assertions. The report following the inquiry found nothing to corroborate General Sheehan's assertions. No Dutch commander has backed his account. Instead, the Dutch have condemned his remarks.

    IMO, the absence of corroborating evidence, the findings of the Inquiry into the massacre, the absence of confirmation from any Dutch military officials, and the swift and strong condemnation of Dutch political and military officials suggests that General Sheehan's account is inaccurate. Almost certainly, it is a matter of his personal speculation, only. As such, following outreach to the relevant Dutch officials (military and political), General Sheehan's testimony should be stricken from the record, as it provides no useful information for the Senate's work.

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Are you calling him a liar? Do you have any evidence he fabricated what he was told in any way?
    Do you have any actual evidence that what he said is true? All he seems to be doing is giving second or third hand information. That is not evidence.
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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    FWIW, the official Dutch investigation into the situation makes no mention whatsoever to the sexual orientation of Dutch troops contributing in any way to what happened. The report can be found at:

    NIOD - Srebrenica

    A UN Newswire account of the Dutch commander's testimony during the Dutch inquiry also makes no mention of sexual orientation. That account can be found at:

    Dutch Commander Faults U.N. For Srebrenica Massacre; More

    In the end, General Sheehan provided no evidence to back up his assertions. The report following the inquiry found nothing to corroborate General Sheehan's assertions. No Dutch commander has backed his account. Instead, the Dutch have condemned his remarks.

    IMO, the absence of corroborating evidence, the findings of the Inquiry into the massacre, the absence of confirmation from any Dutch military officials, and the swift and strong condemnation of Dutch political and military officials suggests that General Sheehan's account is inaccurate. Almost certainly, it is a matter of his personal speculation, only. As such, following outreach to the relevant Dutch officials (military and political), General Sheehan's testimony should be stricken from the record, as it provides no useful information for the Senate's work.
    They had to sweep it under the rug, they can't go against the PC agenda or they will suffer the consequences.....

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    They had to sweep it under the rug, they can't go against the PC agenda or they will suffer the consequences.....
    Can you offer any proof of this assertion? No?

    Didn't think so.

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Can you offer any proof of this assertion? No?

    Didn't think so.
    Yeah, to defend an unsupported allegation, he simply makes a new one.

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    They had to sweep it under the rug, they can't go against the PC agenda or they will suffer the consequences.....
    Now you're just grasping at foolishness. You've got nothing. As usual.
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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Now you're just grasping at foolishness. You've got nothing. As usual.
    He's constructing the classic conspiracy theory. Whenever confronted with conflicting evidence, simply claim that that's part of the coverup too.

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Are you calling him a liar? Do you have any evidence he fabricated what he was told in any way?
    So far, General Sheehan has provided no concrete evidence to back his assertions and no Dutch political or military official has backed his account, either concerning the issue of sexual orientation or his being told of such an issue. In fact, if the sexual orientation of some Dutch troops was a direct or indirect contributing factor concerning the Dutch troops' performance, the inquiry into the events and news accounts from that time would have captured that issue. No references to such an issue are made, either in news reports or the lengthy report of the inquiry. Whether General Sheehan deliberately deceived Congress to promote a personal perspective or has a faulty recollection of what happened almost 15 years ago is entirely a different matter. What seems clear at this point is that his theory is not supported by evidence or witnesses and, as it is unsubstantiated, cannot add value to the Senate's work.

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    So far, General Sheehan has provided no concrete evidence to back his assertions and no Dutch political or military official has backed his account, either concerning the issue of sexual orientation or his being told of such an issue. In fact, if the sexual orientation of some Dutch troops was a direct or indirect contributing factor concerning the Dutch troops' performance, the inquiry into the events and news accounts from that time would have captured that issue. No references to such an issue are made, either in news reports or the lengthy report of the inquiry. Whether General Sheehan deliberately deceived Congress to promote a personal perspective or has a faulty recollection of what happened almost 15 years ago is entirely a different matter. What seems clear at this point is that his theory is not supported by evidence or witnesses and, as it is unsubstantiated, cannot add value to the Senate's work.
    Of course, now you know you are gonna be subjected to the stand-by caterwauling of "How dare you question 'the troops'?"

    I appreciate your logical approach to all this but I fear you are wasting your time.

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