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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    NP went from blaming the gays, to blaming unprotected sex. I never thought I would see the day.
    Oh make no mistake about it my left wing friend..The people having the unprotected sex in tha bath houses at that time were gay men......That is why they closed them down.........
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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Oh make no mistake about it my left wing friend..The people having the unprotected sex in tha bath houses at that time were gay men......That is why they closed them down.........
    Make no mistake NP, gay men having unprotected anal sex were largely responsible for HIV spreading. However, don't pretend that it existed only in the homosexual population just because it was predominately spread via unprotected anal sex. Blood transfusions, drug use, and even unproteced anal sex between heterosexuals, accounts for it spreading as well. We will never know exactly how HIV made the jump from Heidi to America, but there is no evidence to support that it was necessarily homosexuals who brought it over. The 70s were a period of rampant sexual revolution and drug experimentation. Furthermore, in a poor country like Heidi, it was not uncommon for doctors to treat many patients with the same syringe.

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Make no mistake NP, gay men having unprotected anal sex were largely responsible for HIV spreading. However, don't pretend that it existed only in the homosexual population just because it was predominately spread via unprotected anal sex. Blood transfusions, drug use, and even unproteced anal sex between heterosexuals, accounts for it spreading as well. We will never know exactly how HIV made the jump from Heidi to America, but there is no evidence to support that it was necessarily homosexuals who brought it over. The 70s were a period of rampant sexual revolution and drug experimentation. Furthermore, in a poor country like Heidi, it was not uncommon for doctors to treat many patients with the same syringe.
    It was mostly in the gay community and then Bi sexual men helped it to cross over to the straight community as well as drug users but even to this day more gay men have HIV AIDS then any other group.........
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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    I haven't bothered to read the whole thread and won't.

    At issues such as this - and, well, any issue - I like to look at the past. Greece had many city states that were military powers in their own right (not only Sparta) and many of them didn't think anything of homosexual activity.

    As for the hesitation of not acting of Western forces in Srebrenica, I blame the spineless leadership of so many Western nations that seems to be all around these days. Those who constantly bitch in Brussels and don't act (What will Russia say? Elections are coming up, what if we're perceived as too 'mean' and not willing to build a 'consensus'?) are the real pussies and pansies.

    Either that or they're in 3rd world nations capping leaders so that they can get favorable concessions for their 'national champions'.
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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    It was mostly in the gay community and then Bi sexual men helped it to cross over to the straight community as well as drug users but even to this day more gay men have HIV AIDS then any other group.........
    Dude, that is stupid. Do you know how many ways that HIV can jump across from one population to another?

    Blood transfusions were tainted with HIV. We are talking thousands of heterosexual people who were unknowingly infected with HIV when they received a blood transfusion before the virus was identified in the 80s.

    Intravenous drug use exploded with the introduction of heroin in the 70s. Do you think the virus discriminates between heterosexuals and homosexuals when it comes to needles?

    Medical practices in poor countries were primitive in the pre-HIV days. Doctors sometimes reused syringes to save money.

    HIV did not make its way into the heterosexual community by bisexuals, it made its way through a variety of ways. Furthermore, there is no evidence that HIV didn't start in the heterosexual community and make its way into the homosexual community.

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    There were haemophiliacs in the "Four H's" who were vilified and ostracised at the time too. None of this is relevant to an aged American general's homoerotic fantasies. Countries with "mixed" services are perfectly comfortable with it, it is a non-issue to them, they have moved on from such bigotry and the general's fantasies have no basis in operational reality.
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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    It does not mean the general is right. But without any recant by the witness he named, there is no logical reason to deny that is what he said.
    Here, I found the Dutch General that most are assuming General Sheehan is referring to when he mentions “Hankman Berman” as being the person who he was basing his remarks on, Gen. Henk van den Breemen, the country’s former chief of defense staff.

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_van_den_Breemen]Henk van den Breemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

    Van den Breemen ended his military career as Chief of Defence Staff (August 1994 – June 1998)
    And he has denied believing that gay troops had anything to do with Srebrenica.

    Dutch Reject Claim That Srebrenica Fell Because of Gay Troops - The Lede Blog - NYTimes.com

    Dutch television reported that when he was pressed to name a source in the Dutch military, General Sheehan said that he was basing his remarks on what someone named “Hankman Berman” had told him. The Dutch Defense Ministry guessed that this was a reference to Gen. Henk van den Breemen, the country’s former chief of defense staff. On Friday the ministry issued a statement saying that General van den Breemen, now retired, called this “absolute nonsense,” since he did not believe that the presence of gay troops had anything to do with what happened at Srebrenica and had never said any such thing.
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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    So the soldiers he talked to were lying?

    I believe he simply said it was a contributing factor not the sole reason.
    ahhhh, this must be the reason why Israeli forces keep losing all the battles they are in.

    oops!! I guess they don't lose any of their battles. Never mind.

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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Here, I found the Dutch General that most are assuming General Sheehan is referring to when he mentions “Hankman Berman” as being the person who he was basing his remarks on, Gen. Henk van den Breemen, the country’s former chief of defense staff.

    Henk van den Breemen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



    And he has denied believing that gay troops had anything to do with Srebrenica.

    Dutch Reject Claim That Srebrenica Fell Because of Gay Troops - The Lede Blog - NYTimes.com
    Now THAT is evidence.

    Well done. Now there is legitimate reason to doubt this general.
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    Re: Dutch fury at US general's gay theory over Srebrenica

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You should have read the wiki entry that you mentioned:

    So, we have a dictionary definition which does not even refer to courts(and which I linked despite you lying about that), you have wiki saying it can be used in court, but not saying that is the only use of it. Hearsay is a legal term, and it is a term referring to evidence in general based on only what a person has been told. So keep going and trying to claim that only the meaning you like it valid, and which even if you where right would in no way disprove my point.
    I did read the wiki AND the defintiion which you are avoiding in criminal LAW. And nothing in your quote says it is a term used before appearing before the Senate sub committee.

    Face it Redress, you got caught once again in another dishonest claim. All the ducking in the world and ignoring direct evidence wont change your dishonest characterization of the comments.

    Now, onto something much more important to me.
    Since you aren't honest enough to go point for point, this doesn't surprise me a bit.

    I never claimed the general was lying. Please either retract that or show where I did say it. I said he was basing his testimony on hearsay(that is, on second hand information told him), that it did not agree with the people who actually studied the incident. This does not, in any way, shape or form mean that he lied. You have lied however in making your claim that I said he lied.
    Reading carefully just isn't you forte is it Redress?

    What I said:

    And to top it off, you dishonored yourself in suggesting a US general was lying when you have zero proof of it.
    Do I need to pull out what suggestion means before you lie once again about what I claimed you said?

    And absolutely you have suggested it multiple times

    Do you have any evidence except the words of a general that are not supported in any way?
    You then went on a bent calling what the general said as "hearsay" something ONLY used ina court of law and NEVER used in a Senate Sub Committee but that didn't stop you from lying about its usage or denying you made a mistake in your characterization.

    Now, the reason I doubt his word is because it's hearsay
    Spare us your dishonesty in recalling what was stated to you. Its far too easy to embarrass you by quoting your own words.

    And my own


    I see you also ducked my response disproving your laughable claim about the history of aids.

    Good to see you haven't changed
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