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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

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    Those wars weren't passed by reconciliation.

    Actually, as long as they go the reconciliation route, I don't see much of a problem. Republicans can present amendment after amendment after amendment ad nauseum until the mid-terms get here, then they can kill it.

    That's assuming it passes, of course, which is highly questionable.
    Do you think that the average person who protested against the wars or who will protest against this is mostly angry about reconciliation, or just generally opposed to the program in question?
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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Do you have any proof of this or is it just a partisan opinion?
    What's wrong with cutting medicare, anyway?
    It's common knowledge.

    I'm all for cutting medicare; we should have never started it in the first place, but you're going to really tick a lot of people off. How can they cut medicare if it's under-funded already?

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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    What makes you think this? I would be astonished if there's much of any response beyond what we've already seen.



    Er, our country's entrance into two wars, prompting millions of people to march? I don't remember rioting then.
    I think the biggest response will be in November.
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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    It's common knowledge.

    I'm all for cutting medicare; we should have never started it in the first place, but you're going to really tick a lot of people off. How can they cut medicare if it's under-funded already?
    Common knowledge? Only if you get all your knowledge from Rush or Glenn.
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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    I think the biggest response will be in November.
    That's the way it should be.
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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Do you think that the average person who protested against the wars or who will protest against this is mostly angry about reconciliation, or just generally opposed to the program in question?
    Only 35 percent of Americans support the bill, according to Gallup. For the Dems to just pass it anyway is like a big F-YOU to the will of the people.

    Those town halls were pretty intense last summer, and that was when the bill was more popular overall than now, and they were talking about doing it without reconcilliation.

    This.....this is unprecedented in scope, public dislike of the bill, and in total public awareness.

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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Common knowledge? Only if you get all your knowledge from Rush or Glenn.
    Even the Dems admit this.

    Here's your beloved liberal site saying the same:

    Charlotte Robinson: Breaking Down the Health Care Bill with Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin

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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Even the Dems admit this.

    Here's your beloved liberal site saying the same:

    Charlotte Robinson: Breaking Down the Health Care Bill with Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin
    Could you find a more outdated, obscure source, please?
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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Only 35 percent of Americans support the bill, according to Gallup. For the Dems to just pass it anyway is like a big F-YOU to the will of the people.

    Those town halls were pretty intense last summer, and that was when the bill was more popular overall than now, and they were talking about doing it without reconcilliation.

    This.....this is unprecedented in scope, public dislike of the bill, and in total public awareness.
    And 15% of Americans oppose the bill because it is not liberal enough. Did you figure that in?
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    Re: Democrats Post Health Care Bill Online, Starting 72-Hour Clock

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    [And] no one, absolutely no one, believes these numbers are accurate. The CBO doesn't even know what it's measuring. It's stupid to even try.
    As I understand it, Congress cannot even vote on a bill that affects the nation's budget/deficit w/o first having the CBO score it. And as most of us have learned in recent months, the CBO's estimates are simply a rough estimate based on figures as outlined in the proposed legistlation. And since no one knows how some things will play out in the future, it's extremely difficult if not impossible to accurately determine what cost projections will look like 10, 15, 20, 30 yrs from now. The best the CBO can do is...guess.

    Still, for all those people complaining about future generations having to eat today's debt figures, the CBO does a very good job of laying some of those fears to rest if only the doomsday naysayers would just calm down and try to understand that the sky may be grey today but it won't always be this way. In fact, per the CBO, the skies get alot clears in 20 yrs. And they will get better in the near-term as well. Folks just gotta stop with all this fear-mongering and try to see things from a more practical point of view.

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