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    Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’ - BostonHerald.com


    Even one of House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s floor whips, U.S. Rep. Stephen Lynch, says a proposed parliamentary move to pass health-care reform would be “disingenuous” and harm the credibility of Congress.

    In a sign of how tough it’s been for Pelosi to round up votes for the massive bill, Lynch - a South Boston Democrat who supported a House reform package last year - said he’ll probably vote against a key Senate version of the legislation, unless unexpected major changes are made soon.

    Lynch, who serves as one of Pelosi’s key vote counters, said he also can’t support a proposed “deem and pass” procedure that would allow Democrats to vote to strip out controversial portions of the Senate bill and then “deem” that the entire package has passed without a second, direct vote.


    good for him. Good for him standing for the Consitution and against the attempted unconstituional runaround by Pelosi!
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    If you saw the Obama lie fest on Fox yesterday where he proudly said he has basically no interest in the process you saw the birth of dictatorial style Government where the will of the people is absolutely meaningless.

    This phony Health care Plan includes the Federal Government take over of the much more then health care.

    Have heard this yet: Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won't take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.

    I know this is a lot to grasp but we have to grab hold of our liberty while we still have it or say goodbye for ever, until the next revolution.


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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Constitutional experts say the process is constitutional, if it follows the prescribed formula. Also, federal courts have decided the bill has been passed when the Senate Leader and House Speaker attest to that effect.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Constitutional experts say the process is constitutional, if it follows the prescribed formula. Also, federal courts have decided the bill has been passed when the Senate Leader and House Speaker attest to that effect.
    Which constitutional experts specifically? Every single credible constitutional scholarly opinion I've read on on this states this process would not hold up against a SCOTUS challenge. There are already about 32 challenges being written by constitutional lawyers and will be filed the minute this bill is "deemed" to be passed, these challenges wouldn't be filed so soon if this process was constitutional.

    And Rev. I agree with you. Lynch did the right thing.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Which constitutional experts specifically?
    Daily Kos. Media Matters. Keith Olbermann.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Daily Kos. Media Matters. Keith Olbermann.
    Ah. Gotcha, so no experts actually said that.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    If you saw the Obama lie fest on Fox yesterday where he proudly said he has basically no interest in the process you saw the birth of dictatorial style Government where the will of the people is absolutely meaningless.
    If the "will of the people" really mattered to the Regressives, they would be behind the public option or maybe even single payer. A substantial part of the negatives are because most liberals think the bill has been diluted below effectiveness, and the independents just hate the process, not the bill. If you drill down on the numbers, true health care reform is really popular.

    The "process" really is not a concern of the president, its the job of the congress to figure out how to get legislation done, not the president. That all said, the deem and pass is far more about form than substance, as the house has to make a vote on the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This phony Health care Plan includes the Federal Government take over of the much more then health care.
    So exactly what is the federal government taking over? There is no single payer, there is no public option, there is no take over of insurance.... this bill is largely regulatory.. What do you think the government is taking over? Not much. If anything, further entrenches the interests of for-profit health insurance companies as in control of 1/6 of our economy.

    The fact that health care is such a huge part of our economy is rarely discussed, but is the crux of the issue..... something must be done, we spend more on this than any other first world country, with questionable comparative results. Its hard to intelligently argue against the need for reform. The Regressives have had congress for a long time and plenty of opportunity to take the bull by the horns. They also could have participated in constructive change.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    Which constitutional experts specifically? Every single credible constitutional scholarly opinion I've read on on this states this process would not hold up against a SCOTUS challenge. There are already about 32 challenges being written by constitutional lawyers and will be filed the minute this bill is "deemed" to be passed, these challenges wouldn't be filed so soon if this process was constitutional.

    And Rev. I agree with you. Lynch did the right thing.
    Let it go. Its time to move on. Health care reform is going to pass and will be the law of the land. Its about time.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Let it go. Its time to move on. Health care reform is going to pass and will be the law of the land. Its about time.
    **** no I'm not "letting this go" this is unconstitutional in all aspects and the bill is a turd.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Morality Games View Post
    Constitutional experts say the process is constitutional, if it follows the prescribed formula. Also, federal courts have decided the bill has been passed when the Senate Leader and House Speaker attest to that effect.

    Which "constitutional experts"?
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