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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Anyone that does not have health insurance will be forced to buy it or be fined........I am really shocked that you loving Obama Care so much does not know that....Why do you think 37 states are already administering lawsuits against the government?

    I don't care who the private company is the government is administering the program and that is flat wrong.....
    That still doesn't make it socialism. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of what that word means.

    Put in another way:

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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Anyone that does not have health insurance will be forced to buy it or be fined........I am really shocked that you loving Obama Care so much does not know that....Why do you think 37 states are already administering lawsuits against the government?

    I don't care who the private company is the government is administering the program and that is flat wrong.....
    Navy it's more similar to fascism.
    Saying they are acting like economic fascists would be more correct.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You shouldn't have too much trouble finding this information, if you look at non-right-wing sources. I'll dig up that article I read when I get a chance later.




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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Originally Posted by Deuce
    You shouldn't have too much trouble finding this information, if you look at non-right-wing sources. I'll dig up that article I read when I get a chance later.




    We won't hold our breath..............
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Daily Kos. Media Matters. Keith Olbermann.
    As well as the parliamentarians of both houses. As far as it being constitutional, the Constitution specifically says that each house of Congress sets its own rules.

    Still, deem and pass is a bad rule, but was used more than 100 times by Newt Gingrich, when Republicans controlled the House during the Clinton administration. Deem and pass was also used to push through both of the Bush tax cuts. And therein is where the problem lies. You just cant use something for years, and then say it is against the rules when the other party does it, without causing people to come down with a physical malady known as death by laughter.

    In the end, all I can do is give kudos to Lynch, who had the guts to rise above politics, and show some honesty.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I'll await your "later" prior to engagement in hyperbolic shennenigans.
    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    We won't hold our breath..............
    I suppose you guys didn't read the link I already posted. What's the point of debate if you're just going to ignore what people write?

    By the way, in a "Deem and Pass" vote, there's still a vote.

    Found a better article.
    http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/jo...03/17/ornstein

    When Republicans took power in 1995, they soon lost their aversion to self-executing rules and proceeded to set new records under Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-Ga.). [Naturally, Gingrich can now be seen everywhere on cable television complaining about such mischief.] There were 38 and 52 self-executing rules in the 104th and 105th Congresses (1995-1998), making up 25 percent and 35 percent of all rules, respectively. Under Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-Ill.) there were 40, 42 and 30 self-executing rules in the 106th, 107th and 108th Congresses (22 percent, 37 percent and 22 percent, respectively). Thus far in the 109th Congress, self-executing rules make up about 16 percent of all rules.
    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Navy it's more similar to fascism.
    Saying they are acting like economic fascists would be more correct.
    It's "similar" to economic fascism in the same way that ice cubes are similar to a glacier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I suppose you guys didn't read the link I already posted. What's the point of debate if you're just going to ignore what people write?

    By the way, in a "Deem and Pass" vote, there's still a vote.

    Found a better article.
    The impeccable bipartisan pedigree of "deem and pass" - Joe Conason - Salon.com





    It's "similar" to economic fascism in the same way that ice cubes are similar to a glacier.
    Are you still denying there are no cuts in Medicare in Obama Care? I did make one mistake, it was not 500,000,000 it was 500,000,000,000 billion.........
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's "similar" to economic fascism in the same way that ice cubes are similar to a glacier.
    If ice cubes and glaciers = state direction of private industry, then your absolutely right.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    If ice cubes and glaciers = state direction of private industry, then your absolutely right.
    And conservatives favor total anarchy, because they favor smaller government. They want to see our government become like those in central africa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And conservatives favor total anarchy, because they favor smaller government. They want to see our government become like those in central africa.
    If that's what you consider "total anarchy" then yes. Realistic people would see it as more freedom and more independence, whereas you see it as "total anarchy". It's your fear that without nanny Government to wipe your arse for you, you'd have to do something for yourself - or at least that's my perception. Lots of dependent types are like that.

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