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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Which "constitutional experts"?
    I'm still waiting for that one myself.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Let it go. Its time to move on. Health care reform is going to pass and will be the law of the land. Its about time.
    I'd like you back up your support for the current bill with facts.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd like you back up your support for the current bill with facts.
    I'm starting to think that there are two camps in the solidly pro-Obamacare debate, partisans and activists. The partisans like it because the wicked witch of the west, aka Princess Pelosi told them it's good, then there are the activists who just want the government to take more money from people and then takeover the health industry and give away services. Depending on the camp the facts will begin and end with either "because the Democrat party said so" or "I really want it and it's time has come, so shut up and accept it". Outside of those two responses, those should be about the extent of the facts.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I'm starting to think that there are two camps in the solidly pro-Obamacare debate, partisans and activists. The partisans like it because the wicked witch of the west, aka Princess Pelosi told them it's good, then there are the activists who just want the government to take more money from people and then takeover the health industry and give away services. Depending on the camp the facts will begin and end with either "because the Democrat party said so" or "I really want it and it's time has come, so shut up and accept it". Outside of those two responses, those should be about the extent of the facts.
    Completely agree, I'm getting tired of the partisan crap.
    I read the comments on Yahoo, Politco etc and the supporters are parroting the same damn thing over and over again.

    I'm tired of the excuse that "a majority wants it," "it's democracy," and all the other inane, empty sayings that supporters keep going on about.
    Most of these people don't know jack **** about how medical care works and have no clue about policy analysis.

    If you support the current bill, you better be damned able to defend it with facts.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    Let it go. Its time to move on. Health care reform is going to pass and will be the law of the land. Its about time.
    No, they've basically found a way to admit defeat without admitting defeat.

    IF Nancy can get this done, which is still a big 'if', it's going to get challenged by more than half the states as constitutional, which will tie up the bill until the really, really pissed off voters give both houses back to the Republicans in November, at which time they can kill it for good.

    This nonsense is just a way for Pelosi to pseudo claim victory and blame everything on the GOP. It's transparent, but then again, so is she, Obama, and Reid in everything but their actions.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Medicare fix would push health care into the red - Yahoo! Finance

    Not so much savings as an additional charge to the deficit from the get go.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'd like you back up your support for the current bill with facts.
    I'm not sure what you are asking for here, as I am only giving you my assessment of the political condition of this vote, not arguing the merits of the bill.

    I actually don't like the bill at all. I think the Regressives and the Dems have worked in tandem to create a very, very bad bill. I believe very strongly in the need for healthcare reform, as the current system clearly does not work. Healthcare is a bigger part of our economy than that of any other first world country, yet our healthcare system is ranked no better than 29th (WHO).

    The pity in all this is that the parties could have worked together to take a stab at actually solving a major problem, or at least driving the issue in the right direction. Instead, we got a ton of political gamesmanship. The Republicans decided that this '......could be Obama's Waterloo, if they could beat him on this, they could break him....' Instead of respecting their role as the minority party, which would be to help shape the policy of majority

    As political matter, however, it must be passed. The dems have staked much on this. The Reps, rather than shaping the bill, chose instead to paint the Dems into the corner... and, given their desperation, have to go to extreme measures to get something done.

    Kudos to the Repubs... you got what you wanted: a watered down, meaningless bill and the Dems looking like Washington insiders... taking the power grab and looking corrupt. Fortunately this will be behind us come election day, but much damage has been done to all and we really didn't get any real reform either.

    For those keeping score at home: Repubs 1, Dems 0

    When will we get off this polarization of politics? This is a much greater threat to America than Arab terrorists.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I'm not sure what you are asking for here, as I am only giving you my assessment of the political condition of this vote, not arguing the merits of the bill.

    I actually don't like the bill at all. I think the Regressives and the Dems have worked in tandem to create a very, very bad bill. I believe very strongly in the need for healthcare reform, as the current system clearly does not work. Healthcare is a bigger part of our economy than that of any other first world country, yet our healthcare system is ranked no better than 29th (WHO).

    The pity in all this is that the parties could have worked together to take a stab at actually solving a major problem, or at least driving the issue in the right direction. Instead, we got a ton of political gamesmanship. The Republicans decided that this '......could be Obama's Waterloo, if they could beat him on this, they could break him....' Instead of respecting their role as the minority party, which would be to help shape the policy of majority

    As political matter, however, it must be passed. The dems have staked much on this. The Reps, rather than shaping the bill, chose instead to paint the Dems into the corner... and, given their desperation, have to go to extreme measures to get something done.

    Kudos to the Repubs... you got what you wanted: a watered down, meaningless bill and the Dems looking like Washington insiders... taking the power grab and looking corrupt. Fortunately this will be behind us come election day, but much damage has been done to all and we really didn't get any real reform either.

    For those keeping score at home: Repubs 1, Dems 0

    When will we get off this polarization of politics? This is a much greater threat to America than Arab terrorists.
    I don't see how you could call it watered down.

    There are a great many shake ups the will change the way we consume medical care in the very near future.
    Increased taxes and an increase in overall medical consumption.

    It's pretty destructive, more so than doing nothing.
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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Which "constitutional experts"?
    The ones who were in charge during the Bush administration when this procedure was used more than thirty times?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Stephen Lynch calls health care vote plan ‘disingenuous’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The ones who were in charge during the Bush administration when this procedure was used more than thirty times?


    Please list these 30 times. Thanks
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