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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

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    Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care planThere's been enough blatant trolling in this thread for a whole chan. This needs to stop now.

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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Of course, the government will come get you, but, in a Constitutional Republic, you would have no legal or moral standing. This nation was created by the US Constitution, and Americans citizens enter into a social contract which requires obedience to said Constitution. Surely you can see the difference between something which is Constitutional and something which is not?
    What I do not see is how you make the leap that if something is constitutionally allowed, it is not socialist. The government through the constitution is in charge of ensuring the welfare of the United States. It is also, once again through the Constitution, allowed to tax the populace to this means. Would you say that this redistribution of wealth is not socialist because it is not forced? That the government doesn't have to come to your house at gun point and tell you to give them money seems to be just a trivial detail in the discussion.
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Thats 57 states big guy...
    Facepalm...

    You dont REALLY need me to explain the 57 states joking commentary do you???

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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Virginia has now come forward with their intent to sue.

    Virginia Politics Blog - Cuccinelli's office confirms Virginia will sue over health care

    Additionally there are 35 other states considering the same.

    This is gonna be ug-ly if this unwanted crap passes on the Slaughter Solution or by reconciliation.

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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    The intent of the Federal health care legisaltion is to provide cov erage to the poor and temporarily unemployed, who are currently largely without health care.

    The Western Market economy depends and lay-offs and downturns in the economy. So people without health insurance is a product of Capitalism.

    Some employers are looking for low wage workers, with a low level of skills, for which Health insurance would put the at a competitive disadvantage. So the general idea of health care as Socialism seems incorrect. Intgervention in the economy to make the market work better for everyone, seems more like Capitalism to me.

    Socialism might be nationalizing an industry that can function independently of government and charity. Like Air Lines and Diamons

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    Nationalizing a TV or newpaper is socialism, because there is no real public need provided by TV and Newpapers.

    Republicans say the US health care system works great. It works for he middle and upper class. If you did not finish high school, and work Fast Food, health care is a challenge if you get sick.

    I see Health care as Reparations. Many of the individuals who do not have health care in the US, are descendants of slaves, and other forced laborers who were forcibly brought to the US. It was common practice to impress able bodied men into service on merchant and War vessels, before the Civil War.

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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If something is lawfully within the government's purview, how can it be the forced redistribution of wealth?
    It's forced because if I decide to not pay the part of my taxes that go to the military, some nice guys in uniforms will come and remove my right to liberty, if I go long enough without paying. By your logic, if congress passes a health care bill, the president signs it, and the courts uphold it, it's not socialized. Or if we amended the constitution to allow a NHS, it's not socialized

    It has some facets of socialism, yes, but it lacks the coercive underpinnings of socialist theory.
    You mean like me being arrested if I don't pay my taxes for the military, or if the government decides they need me in the military and I don't want to go?

    Okay, I'll certainly give him a look but I don't think he eschews the basics of socialism; that is, the state seizure of the means of production and bourgeois property.
    Technically, no "means of production" are being seized in the health care bill, so its not socialist, right?
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I guess Navy is still not reading his own articles.............



    Way to go, political posturing with a symbolic and legally unfounded action.........

    And Way Go Navy Pride.........
    Not if the federal law itself is unconstitutional because it infringes on the COnstitutional perogatives of the States...
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And where in that definition did you see anything about producing 'a product'? I stated what the military produces.It produces a service. The service? National defence. And it is controlled and owned by the state. Thus making it socialist. With what part of that do you disagree?
    And unlike health care, national defense is a responsibility granted the national government by the Constitution.
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Thats 57 states big guy...
    Which is how many States Obama claimed he visited...
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Socialism is a form of forced wealth redistribution. Since Americans consent to be governed by the Constitution, there is nothing socialist about the military, as it prescribed by law.
    How in the world did we consent? As far as I can tell, the only people who consent are those who immigrate from another country and acquire citizenship. The rest of us were simply born here.
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