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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Can you read? Because if you could you would not be trying to spew the same ridiculously ignorant amount of garbage you are. Regardless of whether you think signing a contract with the government and signing a contract with a private employer are the same things are the same thing, they have absolutely nothing to do with what socialism actually means.

    Socialism has to do with means of production. When they are completely operated by the government, they fall right inside the definition of what is socialism. The military provides a service. This service is provided to the people(to the proletariat), by the people(by the proletariat).
    Dont get snotty with me. I'm being respectful of you. I expect the same FROM you.

    You know what...never mind. I thought differently of you right up until that last post.

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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Dont get snotty with me. I'm being respectful of you. I expect the same FROM you.

    You know what...never mind. I thought differently of you right up until that last post.
    My apologies. I replied so fast to three different posts that I confused the senders of the posts and just went on the offensive on all 3. I thought you had sent this one:

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058625814
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    I just used your definition, now you changed it. Keep going kiddo.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I just used your definition, now you changed it. Keep going kiddo.
    Changed what? What definition did you use? You asked what the military produces. The military produces a service. It is no different than cops, firemen etc. The production methods of such a service are controlled strictly by the government. Do you not see your contradiction yet? It is ridiculous for you to call Obama's health plan socialist, when doctors and health care professionals do not 'produce' anything material either. They provide a service.
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Definitions of socialism on the Web:

    1.a political theory advocating state ownership of industry
    2. an economic system based on state ownership of capital
    I think this was yours.
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im gonna throw the flag on this one...

    Yes...I served in the military. And you. And lots of others. But 'service' os a relative term. teachers serve the country. Police officers serve the country. Farmers. Every average citizen that goes to work, pays taxes, and votes responsibly serfves the country.

    I couldnt do some of those jobs. I wouldnt want some of those people next to me doing my job. I volunteered...my choice.

    I dont downplay military service by ANY means...but lets just keep everything in perspective.
    He's just some kid talking about his grandfather's service. Nothing more. Nothing less. My theory is that he just spews whatever he hears people around him saying. He said something about living in Washington. Maybe his parents live near a retired community and he has access to a lot of old folks. Probably a very inquisitive kid but one who clearly exaggerates the **** he hears.
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    fyi Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    I think this was yours.
    And where in that definition did you see anything about producing 'a product'? I stated what the military produces.It produces a service. The service? National defence. And it is controlled and owned by the state. Thus making it socialist. With what part of that do you disagree?
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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    37 states...another 20 and they ALL will have taken a stand against Obama. Its a shame after he went through the trouble to visit them all...
    Thats 57 states big guy...

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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Lol. You do know the military is one big socialist program right?
    Socialism is a form of forced wealth redistribution. Since Americans consent to be governed by the Constitution, there is nothing socialist about the military, as it prescribed by law.

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    Re: Idaho first to sign law aimed at health care plan

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Sure, you say that now.

    But when the socialized mail delivers your copy of Men's Health and your socialized veteran's benefits check......

    And when the socialized police patrol your city.........or the socialized paramedics save your life...........

    And when you drive on the socialized roads...........to your socialized public school......or the socialized rest stop near the socialize state park.......where you meet friends for social interaction around the the camp fire.......

    .......and should your fire get out of control..... guess what? Those socialized firefighters will show up......
    "Socialized" is not the same thing as "socialist". Socialism is a specific economic philosophy that involves forced redistribution of wealth by the state. Most of the things you listed are Constitutional, hence they are not "socialist".

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