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"All Black People" Asked to Leave S. Jersey Wal-Mart

Councilman said:
Public scorn and ridicule should suffice.
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How is that, when the vast majority of folks- this thread being a good-sized sample group- think that what this person did was "hilarious", a "good joke", an attempt to "show racism as absurd", etc... and that those who express offense or displeasure with this act are "the real racists" and/or whiny ******s who need to get out more.

If anything, the victims of this act are the ones likely to be subjected to public scorn and ridicule (more so than the initial act already caused them).

Seeing as how that is the case, I believe legal action is appropriate.
Clearly society cannot be trusted, at this point, to possess the judgment to determine which acts are appropriate to 'sanction' and which are not desirable.
Ergo, it will be necessary for the courts to issue that message.

Perhaps the perpetrator's fellow prisoners will be able to teach him a lesson or two about what constitutes a good "joke", since the general public- as exhibited in this thread- has apparently lost all judgment and perspective on the matter. :)
 
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1069 said:
How is that, when the vast majority of folks- this thread being a good-sized sample group- think that what this person did was "hilarious", a "good joke", an attempt to "show racism as absurd", etc... and that those who express offense or displeasure with this act are "the real racists" and/or whiny ******s who need to get out more.

If anything, the victims of this act are the ones likely to be subjected to public scorn and ridicule (more so than the initial act already caused them).

Seeing as how that is the case, I believe legal action is appropriate.
Clearly society cannot be trusted, at this point, to possess the judgment to determine which acts are appropriate to 'sanction' and which are not desirable.
Ergo, it will be necessary for the courts to issue that message.

Perhaps the perpetrator's fellow prisoners will be able to teach him a lesson or two about what constitutes a good "joke", since the general public- as exhibited in this thread- has apparently lost all judgment and perspective on the matter. :)
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Sorry, but if he had said, "All niggers leave the store", maybe they might have a valid charge.....;)
As I see it, the most they should be able to charge him with is trespassing, & even then pretty lame.....:roll:
 
Partisan said:
Sorry, but if he had said, "All niggers leave the store", maybe they might have a valid charge.....;)
As I see it, the most they should be able to charge him with is trespassing, & even then pretty lame.....:roll:
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A judge will decide this matter. It will not be decided based upon popular opinion, thank God.

What is terrifying to me- and what is clearly evidenced in this thread- is how quickly tolerance for/denial of racist acts devolves into attacking and maligning the victims (and anyone else who expresses disapproval of racism) and ultimately, like... holocaust denial. People claiming to find the holocaust hilarious.
I never put much stock in "slippery slope" theories, but this thread has clearly illustrated to me that there is some merit to them after all.

Racism- and support for racist acts- needs to be nipped in the bud.
If the hoi polloi has entirely taken leave of their senses and decided that racism is now acceptable and funny, then the courts will have to take a leadership role, step in, and correct this misapprehension for them. And they have my full support in their efforts.
 
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1069 said:
A judge will decide this matter. It will not be decided based upon popular opinion, thank God.

What is terrifying to me- and what is clearly evidenced in this thread- is how quickly tolerance for/denial of racist acts devolves into attacking the victims and ultimately, like... holocaust denial. People claiming to find the holocaust hilarious.
I never put much stock in "slippery slope" theories, but this thread has clearly illustrated to me that there is some merit to them after all.

Racism- and support for racist acts- needs to be nipped in the bud.
If the hoi polloi has entirely taken leave of their senses and decided that racism is now acceptable and funny, then the courts will have to take a leadership role, step in, and correct this misapprehension for them. And they have my full support in their efforts.
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I don't think you can compare it to Holocaust Denial.

Look in my opinion (a dangerous thing here i'm told) I'd say this wasn't a deliberate and malicious racist attack. Doesnt make it right but as I said earlier, It was just a couple of douchebags who thought it'd be funny. They shouldn't even deserve the attention they've gotten. It should have been ignored for the pettyness it was.
 
Jetboogieman said:
I don't think you can compare it to Holocaust Denial.

Look in my opinion (a dangerous thing here i'm told) I'd say this wasn't a deliberate and malicious racist attack. Doesnt make it right but as I said earlier, It was just a couple of douchebags who thought it'd be funny. They shouldn't even deserve the attention they've gotten. It should have been ignored for the pettyness it was.
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Dude. Read the thread. It's not a "comparison".
There has been ACTUAL holocaust denial in this thread.
At least, I guess that's what you'd call it when someone claims to find Hitler's ideas about Jews to be a good joke, and the holocaust hilarious.

I'm not sure what else to call such staggering, monumental ignorance besides "holocaust denial".
Perhaps a new term needs to be invented for it.
 
1069 said:
I'm not sure what else to call such staggering, monumental ignorance besides "holocaust denial".
Perhaps a new term needs to be invented for it.
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Sorry I spead read your last post. Should have read it more carefully.

On your new term though. Megazord Ignorance?
 
1069 said:
A judge will decide this matter. It will not be decided based upon popular opinion, thank God.

What is terrifying to me- and what is clearly evidenced in this thread- is how quickly tolerance for/denial of racist acts devolves into attacking and maligning the victims (and anyone else who expresses disapproval of racism) and ultimately, like... holocaust denial. People claiming to find the holocaust hilarious.
I never put much stock in "slippery slope" theories, but this thread has clearly illustrated to me that there is some merit to them after all.

Racism- and support for racist acts- needs to be nipped in the bud.
If the hoi polloi has entirely taken leave of their senses and decided that racism is now acceptable and funny, then the courts will have to take a leadership role, step in, and correct this misapprehension for them. And they have my full support in their efforts.
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I'd like to see what charges they can trump up......:doh
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Lady Ga Ga, no contest.:mrgreen:
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Who is Lady Ga Ga? Oh yes she's the one who kicked the guy who created her to he curb and now she faces a 30 million dollar law suit. By the way she has no talent other than looking like a damn fool all the time. Thus the name Gag Gag.

Turns out the arrest was Friday on charges of harassment and bias intimidation was of a 16 year old. No other details are out that I can FIND.
 
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1069 said:
If anything, the victims of this act are the ones likely to be subjected to public scorn and ridicule (more so than the initial act already caused them).
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What victims? Why do you feel it necessary to promote a victim mentality among black people? The was no crime in saying "All black people leave the store". There may have been a crime in using the PA, but in that case the victim is Walmart. The black people there were not victims.
 
reefedjib said:
What victims? Why do you feel it necessary to promote a victim mentality among black people? The was no crime in saying "All black people leave the store". There may have been a crime in using the PA, but in that case the victim is Walmart. The black people there were not victims.
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If you tell someone they are a victim often enough and long enough they buy into it and before long everything is someone else's fault. Those who thought up the welfare system counted on that and have promoted it since.

Note that the civil rights movement was fought tooth and nail by Democrats who also started the KKK. This victim crap is a way to keep people down while pretending to be sensitive.

Sorry but it's true. Why else have the schools lowered their standards they created their own no child left behind plan by passing kids who can't read or do simple math and speak in Ebonics like ignorant idiots?
 
1069 said:
If anything, the victims of this act are the ones likely to be subjected to public scorn and ridicule (more so than the initial act already caused them).
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the fact that some of you *actually* think that someone was a "victim" in this is even funnier than the absurd prank. Funny, but in a sad kind of way. I'll be glad when people like you stop holding people down and keeping them powerless and angry by constantly telling them how they're "victims" every time they turn around. Maybe when that stupid **** stops, we can all move on.
 
It's like a 16 year-old Mark Fuhrman.

Atlantic County teenager charged in bias incident at Washington Twp. Walmart | - NJ.com

One other amusing part:

Gloucester County Prosecutor Sean Dalton said the punishment for the crime, a fourth degree offense, would depend upon the if the accused has a prior record. Authorities also declined to give the prankster's race.

Dalton said that does not factor into the prosecution.
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How, exactly, does his race not factor into the prosecution? Are they honestly claiming that if a black 16 year old said "All black people leave the store," they would prosecute him for "bias intimidation"?

Either way, the case looks incredibly weak. The first two portions of the statute require a showing that the perpetrator either act with intent to intimidate or with the knowledge that his actions would intimidate. There's a pretty obvious defense to that claim. The third portion of the charge is very interesting, because it requires absolutely no mens rea on the part of the perpetrator:

(3) under circumstances that caused any victim of the underlying offense to be intimidated and the victim, considering the manner in which the offense was committed, reasonably believed either that (a) the offense was committed with a purpose to intimidate the victim or any person or entity in whose welfare the victim is interested because of race, color, religion, gender, handicap, sexual orientation, or ethnicity,
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That means that you could be committing a bias crime even if you had absolutely no intend to do so, so long as 1) someone says they were intimidated, and 2) reasonably believed that the purpose of your statement was to intimidate them. That's a little ****ed up.

However, the entire bias statute only applies where the state can prove an underlying crime - in this case, harassment. Harassment under NJ law requires a showing that the statement be made with the purpose of harassing the individuals in question. Again, there's the same fairly obvious defense that could be raised here.

I'm guessing that the end result of this will be that in a couple weeks, once the press dies down, the kid will agree to perform 40 hours of community service in exchange for having the case dropped.
 
reefedjib said:
What victims? Why do you feel it necessary to promote a victim mentality among black people? The was no crime in saying "All black people leave the store". There may have been a crime in using the PA, but in that case the victim is Walmart. The black people there were not victims.
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Saying something is wrong and not funny somehow makes us a victim??? :roll:+

It makes us angry because knuckle heads think it is funny.
 
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rivrrat said:
the fact that some of you *actually* think that someone was a "victim" in this is even funnier than the absurd prank. Funny, but in a sad kind of way. I'll be glad when people like you stop holding people down and keeping them powerless and angry by constantly telling them how they're "victims" every time they turn around. Maybe when that stupid **** stops, we can all move on.
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Or maybe people who are doing the **** to create victims should be punished so that it stops. Because as we all know ignoring something does NOT make it go away.

If someone can post an example of how ignoring a problem in society makes it go away I would love to see it.
 
Blackdog said:
Or maybe people who are doing the **** to create victims should be punished so that it stops. Because as we all know ignoring something does NOT make it go away.

If someone can post an example of how ignoring a problem in society makes it go away I would love to see it.
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He should absolutely be punished. His parents should ground him, point out what an idiot he's being, and force him to go apologize to all of the people who were offended by this. The part that I strongly disagree with is the idea that this is a matter for the courts.
 
I would have burst out in laughter had I been in the store when this happened. Stop calling it "racist". It is rather, a practical joke similar to the ones we see on televsion...should SNL be forced off the air? Should all comedians on cable be arrested? More power to the 16 year old. I think he has a bright future. What was your sense of humor like when YOU were 16?
 
RightinNYC said:
Either way, the case looks incredibly weak. The first two portions of the statute require a showing that the perpetrator either act with intent to intimidate or with the knowledge that his actions would intimidate. There's a pretty obvious defense to that claim. The third portion of the charge is very interesting, because it requires absolutely no mens rea on the part of the perpetrator:



That means that you could be committing a bias crime even if you had absolutely no intend to do so, so long as 1) someone says they were intimidated, and 2) reasonably believed that the purpose of your statement was to intimidate them. That's a little ****ed up.

However, the entire bias statute only applies where the state can prove an underlying crime - in this case, harassment. Harassment under NJ law requires a showing that the statement be made with the purpose of harassing the individuals in question. Again, there's the same fairly obvious defense that could be raised here.

I'm guessing that the end result of this will be that in a couple weeks, once the press dies down, the kid will agree to perform 40 hours of community service in exchange for having the case dropped.
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I am frankly amazed that this is a crime in NJ law. It is like a Hate Law and I didn't think we had those due to 1st Amendment protections. Your link to the statute goes on to say:

except that where the underlying crime is a crime of the first degree, bias intimidation is a first-degree crime and the defendant upon conviction thereof may, notwithstanding the provisions of paragraph (1) of subsection a. of N.J.S.2C:43-6, be sentenced to an ordinary term of imprisonment between 15 years and 30 years, with a presumptive term of 20 years
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Holy ****!
 
rhinefire said:
I would have burst out in laughter had I been in the store when this happened. Stop calling it "racist". It is rather, a practical joke similar to the ones we see on televsion...should SNL be forced off the air? Should all comedians on cable be arrested? More power to the 16 year old. I think he has a bright future. What was your sense of humor like when YOU were 16?
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Context. Watching comments like this on SNL are completely different from this incident.
 
RightinNYC said:
He should absolutely be punished. His parents should ground him, point out what an idiot he's being, and force him to go apologize to all of the people who were offended by this. The part that I strongly disagree with is the idea that this is a matter for the courts.
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I agree, I pointed out the boycotts etc are stupid.
 
Blackdog said:
Saying something is wrong and not funny somehow makes us a victim??? :roll:+

It makes us angry because knuckle heads think it is funny.
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Indeed. I can imagine the reaction by black people in the store to be: "What the ****? I ain't leaving this ****ing store."

Like I said, I didn't think it was funny, I thought it a childish prank.
 
rhinefire said:
I would have burst out in laughter had I been in the store when this happened. Stop calling it "racist". It is rather, a practical joke similar to the ones we see on televsion...should SNL be forced off the air? Should all comedians on cable be arrested? More power to the 16 year old. I think he has a bright future. What was your sense of humor like when YOU were 16?
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I did not involve calling Jews names over the intercom of a store, that's for certain.

Yea I guess rhinefire, was laughing at the "absurdity." :doh
 
reefedjib said:
Indeed. I can imagine the reaction by black people in the store to be: "What the ****? I ain't leaving this ****ing store."

Like I said, I didn't think it was funny, I thought it a childish prank.
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That is what is angering about the story. Not that it was done, it was that people are laughing at the people affected by it. It should be disturbing that people thought this was so funny.

As for the boy, I think they are going to far. The parents should be perfectly capable of handling this, unless thats where he gets it from???
 
Blackdog said:
That is what is angering about the story. Not that it was done, it was that people are laughing at the people affected by it. It should be disturbing that people thought this was so funny.

As for the boy, I think they are going to far. The parents should be perfectly capable of handling this, unless thats where he gets it from???
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Some people thought it was funny, oh well so what? They'll laugh at anyone being offended. Assholes.

Now about that being offended bit. I fail to see how the black people in the store being offended translates to them being victims. Someone being offended does not make them a victim in my book. I notice 1069 has failed to respond to any post questioning her wild claims. I guess you know when you are holding an indefensible position.
 
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