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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    to vote on "another bill that will pass another bill along with it..."

    you think "everyone understands it at this point..."

    well, you clearly don't

    weird
    I fully understand it.

    Righties are upset that they will pass it using the rules of the senate. I don't know how they've convinced themselves that this is bad thing though, just like they convinced themselves that reconciliation is the nuclear option.

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    And there is a rule in the House where you can vote on a bill that also deems another bill to be passed. It's not a new rule. If anyone doesn't want it passed, then don't vote for it.

    If they vote for a bill that passes another bill, does that mean that bill passed? Well, by definition, yes.

    I haven't seen anyone actually give a reason as to why this can't be done. Just talking points on how they will pass it without a vote.

    If you don't like how they do it then that's your problem.

    As certain as you, a random poster at debatepolicits.com, are, people that actually study and have argued cases involving the procedure aren't quite as certain. Hmm... Who to believe?

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    I fully understand it.

    Righties are upset that they will pass it using the rules of the senate. I don't know how they've convinced themselves that this is bad thing though, just like they convinced themselves that reconciliation is the nuclear option.
    Do you comprehend the depths of corruption and low-life tactics your party is resorting to IN ORDER TO DEFEAT PEOPLE IN ITS OWN PARTY?

    I suspect not.

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    lol wut?




    Seriously, how as a house member can I cast my vote if they use this slaughter method?
    If you just refuse to accept the house rules then I can't help you dude.

    The constitution says that when a vote is taken to pass a bill, the votes will be recorded, as will happen here. It also does not bar passing a piece of legislation with another piece of legislation. I didn't make up the rules.

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    It's amazing.

    The Republicans have practically made up a litmus test to enter their party, but how dare those democrats do everything they can to get this 1 key piece of legislation through. THEY'RE RUINING THE COUNTRY!

    I have some problems with the way some things were done, I didn't like the bribes and I still hope that they'll get taken out (though I think the whole "behind closed doors" and ramming it down our throats crap is pure BS) but when you have a piece of legislation that will help the country as much as this one will and has been this long over due, you make every push you can.

    In the world of politics, threatening to not campaign for someone if they don't vote for this bill just doesn't seem controversial at all to me like some people try to make it out to be.
    I take it you DISAPPROVE of the republican litmus test? So do I. I also disapprove of the Libertarian litmus test. It all smacks of a certain mindless obligation to partisan ideology that is destroying the country.

    Maybe you have missed it...but the majority of people in this country (yep...including the constituents of many democrats) do not WANT this legislation. And how on earth can you possibly know if it will 'help the country'? We just found out today that the Massachusettes health care plan would completely bankrupt the state if not for a mass transfusion of federal dollars. So...when it is the FED that is bankrupt, who are you going to turn to to bail them out?

    So...of ALL the issues out there...of all the value of individual politicians...support the president on this one or die...got it...

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    If you just refuse to accept the house rules then I can't help you dude.

    If you can't understand and refuse to accept what's in the Constitution I can't hepl you dude.


    And in a few years when the republicans use this for something you find absolutley repugnant. I'm sure I'll see you making this same argument for it.



    The constitution says that when a vote is taken to pass a bill, the votes will be recorded, as will happen here. It also does not bar passing a piece of legislation with another piece of legislation. I didn't make up the rules.


    What section of the constitution? could you link to it please as I have done for you. Thanks.
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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    If you just refuse to accept the house rules then I can't help you dude.

    The constitution says that when a vote is taken to pass a bill, the votes will be recorded, as will happen here. It also does not bar passing a piece of legislation with another piece of legislation. I didn't make up the rules.

    No, the votes will NOT be recorded. That's the point of this little shenanigan Nancy is pulling. This might even be voted on with a small committee.

    It's beyond pathetic to pass something this comprehensive, this expensive, and this society changing in such a devious manner WHEN YOUR PARTY HAS ENOUGH PEOPLE TO PASS IT WITHOUT REPUBLICANS! Do you not understand that MANY LIBERALS HATE THE BILL, TOO, and Nancy is basically saying F YOU to her own party?

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    If you can't understand and refuse to accept what's in the Constitution I can't hepl you dude.


    And in a few years when the republicans use this for something you find absolutley repugnant. I'm sure I'll see you making this same argument for it.







    What section of the constitution? could you link to it please as I have done for you. Thanks.
    You want me to give you the section of the constitution for something that isn't in there?

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    You want me to give you the section of the constitution for something that isn't in there?



    so you concede your party is doing something that is unconstitutional yet you support it?


    Seriously?
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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    [QUOTE=roughdraft274;1058624165]I'm not fond of holding grudges or getting petty, and I want this bill to be passed purely because of the good it will do, but I fully intend to come on here and read all of your posts right after this bill passes. Should be some great entertainment watching you backtrack. I'm already bookmarking the dozens of threads you've repeated you're tired old talking points in.

    Have you heard about Dennis Kucinich's press meeting scheduled later today?[/QUOTE]

    No...do you think the great independent Kucinich has been bought off and will now vote to support it? I really do hope so!!! That will pretty much confirm that every congressman is for sale.

    I unlike many opposed to the legislation have no doubt that ultimately this will pass. Democrats have a way of finding votes in closets months after elections have passed...so...by hook, crook, or outright bribery, there will be SOMETHING passed.

    I also expect the republicans will have long memories...and when the next election is held where the republicans regain a simple majority...the fun will REALLY start.

    Oh...and I also predict that before the next election is held there will be executive orders granting felons voting rights and also granting illegal immigrants voting rights, with groups like ACORN being given federal dollars to sign them up and fill out their cards for them.

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