congrats on kucinich, he's ONE
(tell him to say hi to the martians for me)
meanwhile, cnn reported yesterday that FIVE more fence sitters came THE OBVIOUS way
donnelly, ellsworth, gutierrez, carney, costello
that makes NINE stupackers who DAMN and DOOM the DEEM
minus spacecraft kucinich, that's EIGHT
all we need is ONE, net, to kill obamacare
rcp took down the cnn piece and rcp's archives are totally unnavigable
but i found an even better source, THE HILL, which reflects the new whip count
WHIP COUNT: House Democrats' positions on the healthcare reform bill - TheHill.com
even more to the point is the TIMELINE
if the RECONCILE (which isn't even written yet) is not scored and put online by TODAY then the prez must cancel another trip
because the RULES for floor debate must be posted SEVENTY TWO HOURS before any vote can go down
and the prez is outta here at NOON on sunday, grumpily off to guam
FOR NINE DAYS
then, when he gets back, he's got LESS THAN A WEEK til the easter break
obama's "supporters," who definitely know how these things work (LOL!), need to get real
Last edited by The Prof; 03-17-10 at 11:31 AM.
Just out of curiosity...
Who, exactly, do the Dems think they would be fooling with this stunt?
Don't you suppose that the same Dems who oppose TOHCB will be held just as liable for their 'deemed to pass' vote as they would an actual vote on the bill? Certainly they see their constituents will know about it, if for no other reason than their GOP opponents will bring it up in November.
you nailed it, you naughty wingnut
if she doesn't have 216 for the senate bill she'll have even fewer for her damned DEEM
the DEEM is dumb
which is why she's DOOMED
Ok, thanks for letting me know about this Rush Limbaugh rule. It's hard to keep track when the righties keep moving those goal posts.
I could care less what you think after reading all of your posts. After everything you resort to personal attacks that I have no idea what's in the bill (even though this bill will only have minor changes and will consist 99% of all of the things that have been talked to death for the past year) and that I don't know what it will cost (even though I don't know how you got this. The CBO has scored the main bill already and is currently scoring the rest as we speak, and I haven't heard anyone say that the cost will differ significantly from the original assessment) and then you finalize it with the point that we should allow insurance companies to not cover based on preexisting conditions and to kick people off their roles as soon as they get sick, and to continue to use every loophole they can find to screw people over, all because there is a certain amount of fraud in medicare. You think that maybe neither of us are idiots and we just disagree on the bill?
Also, don't sidestep. I have no idea how you've convinced yourself that you're morally superior because you won't use personal attacks then attack me by saying that calling me an idiot is an insult to idiots. It doesn't surprise me that you would think this is not the same thing.
Just to recap, every single thing you said in your post was a lie or wrong.
“I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.
like jason altmire, brad ellsworth, daniel lipinski, steve driehaus, kathy dahlkemper, john boccieri...
keep moving the goalposts...
pass the bills, conference em, merge em, take out the kickbacks, keep the kickbacks, reconcile em, we have the votes, SATURDAY, cancel the trip, change the schedule, re-cancel the trip, DEEM it...
the bill is a PIG:
half a T cuts to m and m
while simultaneously expanding massively both already overstrained entitlements
huge taxes, fines, fees on small and large biz, middle and lower class, PAYROLL, targeted industries
mandates on individuals to go out and buy---what kinda perverse universalism is that
jct---only SEVEN PERCENT to receive subsidies
fines for those who don't conform, threats of jail
bankrupting burdens on broken backed states in the form of massive expansion of medicaid, ghetto of health care
a quarter T doc fix, NOT paid for
another quarter tril DOUBLE COUNTED, says the cbo
the cornhusker, the gatoraid, the dodd and kerry and baucus BRIBES, important parts of the upper's piece
yup, TALKING POINTS---from THE HILL, ROLL CALL, AP, the NYT, the WaPo...
the apologists attempts are pathetic
Lies? No lies. Everything I spoke is truth. Sad thing is...you KNOW it. Thats why your arguments went from at least an EARLIER attempt at SOME sort of substance, to your last limp series of posts.
And be very clear. I didnt CALL you an idiot. That would be wrong. no personal attacks.