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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Oh I vote, sweetness, I vote

    Just let that sink in for a few minutes.
    Proof positive of the need to pass a test in order to do so...

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    congrats on kucinich, he's ONE

    (tell him to say hi to the martians for me)

    meanwhile, cnn reported yesterday that FIVE more fence sitters came THE OBVIOUS way

    donnelly, ellsworth, gutierrez, carney, costello

    that makes NINE stupackers who DAMN and DOOM the DEEM

    minus spacecraft kucinich, that's EIGHT

    all we need is ONE, net, to kill obamacare

    rcp took down the cnn piece and rcp's archives are totally unnavigable

    but i found an even better source, THE HILL, which reflects the new whip count

    WHIP COUNT: House Democrats' positions on the healthcare reform bill - TheHill.com

    even more to the point is the TIMELINE

    if the RECONCILE (which isn't even written yet) is not scored and put online by TODAY then the prez must cancel another trip

    because the RULES for floor debate must be posted SEVENTY TWO HOURS before any vote can go down

    and the prez is outta here at NOON on sunday, grumpily off to guam

    FOR NINE DAYS

    then, when he gets back, he's got LESS THAN A WEEK til the easter break

    obama's "supporters," who definitely know how these things work (LOL!), need to get real
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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Just out of curiosity...

    Who, exactly, do the Dems think they would be fooling with this stunt?

    Don't you suppose that the same Dems who oppose TOHCB will be held just as liable for their 'deemed to pass' vote as they would an actual vote on the bill? Certainly they see their constituents will know about it, if for no other reason than their GOP opponents will bring it up in November.

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    you nailed it, you naughty wingnut

    if she doesn't have 216 for the senate bill she'll have even fewer for her damned DEEM

    the DEEM is dumb

    which is why she's DOOMED

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post

    Wow...its pretty easy to see when an idealogue is getting his ass kicked in a debate...he turns to Rush Limbaugh.

    YOU...the person that cant be bothered to READ what you support...and get spoon fed your garbage...accusing ANYONE of talking point rhetoric...priceless baby...absolutely priceless.

    So to recap...

    YOU have NO IDEA what is in the legislation...you have NO IDEA what it costs. You have NO IDEA how the federal government is supposed to run it better than the medicare system which they admit is being abused to the tune of at LEAST 80 billion a year...and yet...you support the legislation...

    If I called you an idiot that would be perceived as a personal attack...and an insult to idiots to boot...so I absolutely WILL NOT call you an idiot. I dont have to. Your own words expose you every time you post here.
    Keep lying, it doesn't surprise me.

    Ok, thanks for letting me know about this Rush Limbaugh rule. It's hard to keep track when the righties keep moving those goal posts.

    I could care less what you think after reading all of your posts. After everything you resort to personal attacks that I have no idea what's in the bill (even though this bill will only have minor changes and will consist 99% of all of the things that have been talked to death for the past year) and that I don't know what it will cost (even though I don't know how you got this. The CBO has scored the main bill already and is currently scoring the rest as we speak, and I haven't heard anyone say that the cost will differ significantly from the original assessment) and then you finalize it with the point that we should allow insurance companies to not cover based on preexisting conditions and to kick people off their roles as soon as they get sick, and to continue to use every loophole they can find to screw people over, all because there is a certain amount of fraud in medicare. You think that maybe neither of us are idiots and we just disagree on the bill?

    Also, don't sidestep. I have no idea how you've convinced yourself that you're morally superior because you won't use personal attacks then attack me by saying that calling me an idiot is an insult to idiots. It doesn't surprise me that you would think this is not the same thing.

    Just to recap, every single thing you said in your post was a lie or wrong.

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Keep lying, it doesn't surprise me.

    Ok, thanks for letting me know about this Rush Limbaugh rule. It's hard to keep track when the righties keep moving those goal posts.

    I could care less what you think after reading all of your posts. After everything you resort to personal attacks that I have no idea what's in the bill (even though this bill will only have minor changes and will consist 99% of all of the things that have been talked to death for the past year) and that I don't know what it will cost (even though I don't know how you got this. The CBO has scored the main bill already and is currently scoring the rest as we speak, and I haven't heard anyone say that the cost will differ significantly from the original assessment) and then you finalize it with the point that we should allow insurance companies to not cover based on preexisting conditions and to kick people off their roles as soon as they get sick, and to continue to use every loophole they can find to screw people over, all because there is a certain amount of fraud in medicare. You think that maybe neither of us are idiots and we just disagree on the bill?

    Also, don't sidestep. I have no idea how you've convinced yourself that you're morally superior because you won't use personal attacks then attack me by saying that calling me an idiot is an insult to idiots. It doesn't surprise me that you would think this is not the same thing.

    Just to recap, every single thing you said in your post was a lie or wrong.
    So to recap - your post basically says, "I am rubber you are glue, whatever hits me bounces off and sticks to you". That makes for some mature discussion (/sarcasm)

    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    the righties...

    LOL!

    like jason altmire, brad ellsworth, daniel lipinski, steve driehaus, kathy dahlkemper, john boccieri...

    keep moving the goalposts...

    pass the bills, conference em, merge em, take out the kickbacks, keep the kickbacks, reconcile em, we have the votes, SATURDAY, cancel the trip, change the schedule, re-cancel the trip, DEEM it...

    LOL!

    the bill is a PIG:

    half a T cuts to m and m

    while simultaneously expanding massively both already overstrained entitlements

    huge taxes, fines, fees on small and large biz, middle and lower class, PAYROLL, targeted industries

    mandates on individuals to go out and buy---what kinda perverse universalism is that

    jct---only SEVEN PERCENT to receive subsidies

    fines for those who don't conform, threats of jail

    bankrupting burdens on broken backed states in the form of massive expansion of medicaid, ghetto of health care

    a quarter T doc fix, NOT paid for

    another quarter tril DOUBLE COUNTED, says the cbo

    the cornhusker, the gatoraid, the dodd and kerry and baucus BRIBES, important parts of the upper's piece

    yup, TALKING POINTS---from THE HILL, ROLL CALL, AP, the NYT, the WaPo...

    LOL!

    the apologists attempts are pathetic

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So to recap - your post basically says, "I am rubber you are glue, whatever hits me bounces off and sticks to you". That makes for some mature discussion (/sarcasm)

    He says that calling me an idiot would be an insult to idiots.

    I respond to him by letting him know the contradiction of declaring that he won't use personal attacks, by using a personal attack.

    You criticize me for acting childish.

    Are you dizzy from all that spinning?

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Proof positive of the need to pass a test in order to do so...
    How very democratic of you
    I'm Done

    See my last post

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    Re: House may try to pass Senate health-care bill without voting on it

    Quote Originally Posted by roughdraft274 View Post
    Keep lying, it doesn't surprise me.

    Ok, thanks for letting me know about this Rush Limbaugh rule. It's hard to keep track when the righties keep moving those goal posts.

    I could care less what you think after reading all of your posts. After everything you resort to personal attacks that I have no idea what's in the bill (even though this bill will only have minor changes and will consist 99% of all of the things that have been talked to death for the past year) and that I don't know what it will cost (even though I don't know how you got this. The CBO has scored the main bill already and is currently scoring the rest as we speak, and I haven't heard anyone say that the cost will differ significantly from the original assessment) and then you finalize it with the point that we should allow insurance companies to not cover based on preexisting conditions and to kick people off their roles as soon as they get sick, and to continue to use every loophole they can find to screw people over, all because there is a certain amount of fraud in medicare. You think that maybe neither of us are idiots and we just disagree on the bill?

    Also, don't sidestep. I have no idea how you've convinced yourself that you're morally superior because you won't use personal attacks then attack me by saying that calling me an idiot is an insult to idiots. It doesn't surprise me that you would think this is not the same thing.

    Just to recap, every single thing you said in your post was a lie or wrong.
    Righties? heck, son...YOU start spewing crap about talking points and rhetoric...and YOU are the one that cant answer the FIRST question about anything you stand in favor of. Now...really...

    Lies? No lies. Everything I spoke is truth. Sad thing is...you KNOW it. Thats why your arguments went from at least an EARLIER attempt at SOME sort of substance, to your last limp series of posts.

    And be very clear. I didnt CALL you an idiot. That would be wrong. no personal attacks.

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