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Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

VanceMack said:
A sick mind? Well...if I decide to make my response personal...some sort of attack against you...maybe involving the only way you would really know if I had a sick mind was by talking to your mom...I'll take it offline...private message...something like that. Instead...I'll stay on topic...

Look...the REALITY is that neither side is invested in peace and both have a pretty legitimate claim. Israel was re-gifted land...which meant the palestinians were ultimately forced out. Israel REALLY isnt invested in giving land back, including the Gaza Strip or the Golan Heights. While many WANT peace, the reality is that to MANY...and especially those that would use force to get their way...peace means the other side is at least gone, but preferably dead.

There are other factions invested in the instability. Arab leaders (who quite frankly dont give a squirt about Paelstine or Palestinians) are invested in being able to point to Israel as a common enemy to rally support. They fund the terrorist attacks against Israel.

Now...call me sick...but I think history has done a pretty good job of demonstrating that since the recorded time (you know...when the land was occupied by the rightful owners...the Canaanites) there has been conflict. And while Israel and Egypt and Israel and Jordan have been able to maintain peace, remember...Egypt and Jordan HAVE countries. They have borders.

Its also not a bad idea to recognize that while everyone was critical of Israel constructing a wall to reduce the terror attacks, Egypt ALSO has a wall, keeping Palestine out. Might have something to do with the late 60's...who knows...

Bottom line...there will NEVER be peace there. Neither side wants it on terms the other side is willing to agree to. Both sides feel justified. So...good luck with that...
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You used the word ELIMINATED. That is what is off the walls.

As to how you started our response, get help.
 
washunut said:
You used the word ELIMINATED. That is what is off the walls.

As to how you started our response, get help.
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What is your objection to the word 'eliminated'? Its the truth. It is the ONLY sure way for there to ever be 'peace'.

As to how I started the response...dont make personal attacks.
 
washunut said:
You used the word ELIMINATED. That is what is off the walls.

As to how you started our response, get help.
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And heres the thing...Im not even unsympathetic...I see both sides...really...I do. Im also a realist. These are not people intent on peaceful cohabitation.

Sorry...I know it is nice imagining living in a world where everyone enjoys and respects 'human rights', where pollution spawns butterflies and farts smell like flowers...but its not REALITY.
 
Gill said:
Obama seems to delight in coddling nations that wish us harm, while insulting those that are our traditional allies like Israel and Great Britain.
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Which nations are these? Or are you referring to the Middle East in general? Besides Iran, who has not come out and said they wish to do us harm, there is no nation that would even consider harming us... especially with all the nukes we have. Sounds like you're mixing up radical religious groups with the will of a nation or the will of a leader.

Have you considered the possibility that these nations (what ever one's you are referencing) or radical groups that wish to do us harm, wish so because we support Israel? We are supporting their enemy after all.
 
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Jucon said:
Have you considered the possibility that these nations (what ever one's you are referencing) or radical groups that wish to do us harm, wish so because we support Israel? We are supporting their enemy after all.
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It has more to do with the invasions to Iraq and Afghanistan, and the involvement in the Mideast, such as the coup in Iran for example.

What logic promotes the blame of Israel for the hatred towards the US is beyond me, that's the sort of thing you'd hear from a Venezuelan president.
 
Jucon said:
Which nations are these? Or are you referring to the Middle East in general? Besides Iran, who has not come out and said they wish to do us harm, there is no nation that would even consider harming us... especially with all the nukes we have. Sounds like you're mixing up radical religious groups with the will of a nation or the will of a leader.
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No harm at all.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHoVuFlrcjA"]YouTube- Iran wants "Death to America"[/ame]
 
I wonder what would have happened if thousands of US citizens were rallied by leaders and preachers to chant "death to Iran." I can see the UN getting in a tizzy over it. Or worse yet, it Israel did this in regards to Palestinians. The international bias is sickening.
 
digsbe said:
they gained control during the '67 war I believe. Plus it's part of Jerusalem, the capitol of Israel. It is also more important to Jewish history and the Islamic rulers have proven to be discriminatory when running certain areas of the city. I'll have to look up some history regarding the war, but East Jerusalem certainly does not belong to the Palestinians and should be completely Israel's.
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Obviously you don't know your history. Muslims were far more tolerant to allow for Christians and Jews to worship in Jerusalem, than the Jews or Christians even in the not so distant past, the Muslims were tolerant.
 
digsbe said:
I wonder what would have happened if thousands of US citizens were rallied by leaders and preachers to chant "death to Iran." I can see the UN getting in a tizzy over it. Or worse yet, it Israel did this in regards to Palestinians. The international bias is sickening.
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The UN doesn't have high expectations for the Muslim world like it does for the more civilized West.
 
chevydriver1123 said:
Obama should stay out of the Israel's affairs and vice versa.
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How can we stay out of Israel's affairs, when the whole Hollywierd is controlled by Zionists who will not let any US President do what is best for this country? If the President were to say anything critical about Israel-or anybody for that matter-in this country people would automatically call you a anti-semite. When in reality you are a anti-zionist. There is a big difference between the two but no the media outlets would make sure that the people will label you as a racist.
 
Apocalypse said:
No harm at all.
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In my mind there is a large difference between empty threats where these people wish something would happen to the U.S. and actually threatening a specific attack.

Just like there's a difference between saying "I'm going to kick your ass" out of outrage and actually kicking someone's ass... These nations wouldn't dare touch us.

But my other point still stands... has anyone considered that these people hate the U.S. and it's allies because we support Israel... their sworn enemy?
 
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Gray_Fox_86 said:
How can we stay out of Israel's affairs, when the whole Hollywierd is controlled by Zionists who will not let any US President do what is best for this country? If the President were to say anything critical about Israel-or anybody for that matter-in this country people would automatically call you a anti-semite. When in reality you are a anti-zionist. There is a big difference between the two but no the media outlets would make sure that the people will label you as a racist.
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And your lean is 'moderate'? :rofl I'd hate to see your definition of 'right-winged'! :spin:
 
MyOwnDrum said:
And your lean is 'moderate'? :rofl I'd hate to see your definition of 'right-winged'! :spin:
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Well, I don't like leaning on any side. But you have already seen my right lean.
 
Jucon said:
But my other point still stands... has anyone considered that these people hate the U.S. and it's allies because we support Israel... their sworn enemy?
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And I've already replied to that above.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Predictable as well, seeing as to how you live in Israel....
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You are judged by your actions, not by who you are.

Ironically, you've just done the opposite.

Such thoughts belong to the dark ages, and take the conspiracy theories with you.
 
Apocalypse said:
You are judged by your actions, not by who you are.

Ironically, you've just done the opposite.

Such thoughts belong to the dark ages, and take the conspiracy theories with you.
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Yeah, if we had it your way we would all be in the stone age. You and Muslims are the same things, really both of your societies suffer from radicalisim. And that is why the US needs to separate itself from Israel and to be fair it should also separate itself from other Middle Eastern nations.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Yeah, if we had it your way we would all be in the stone age. You and Muslims are the same things, really both of your societies suffer from radicalisim.
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What a radical buffoon.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
No. I forgot to mention that people would also label you as a conspiracy theorists such as Apocalypse did. Predictable as well, seeing as to how you live in Israel....
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Frustrated with life, eh? Blaming ones failures on the evil Zionists is a sure sign of it... ;)
 
MyOwnDrum said:
Frustrated with life, eh? Blaming ones failures on the evil Zionists is a sure sign of it... ;)
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No and no. I am not frustrated with life or anything of that sort. You guys are the radicals. I don't see things the way the Zionists do does not make me the radical or racist or anything of that sort as you and Apocalypse are trying to portray for having a different opinion. Seriously you guys need to start thinking but seeing as to how you are extremists I will never expect you guys to think.
 
MyOwnDrum said:
And your lean is 'moderate'? :rofl I'd hate to see your definition of 'right-winged'! :spin:
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His position is not a right wing position...he is a typical 'progressive'.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
Obviously you don't know your history. Muslims were far more tolerant to allow for Christians and Jews to worship in Jerusalem, than the Jews or Christians even in the not so distant past, the Muslims were tolerant.
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Right now the Muslim rulers do not allow anyone but Muslims to pray on the Temple Mount. No Bibles or Tanakhs can be brough on it. No crosses or Stars of David or anything Jewish/Christian can be up there either. Only Muslims have rights, and the Muslims are the ones in control. Through history we have seen the Muslims desecrate Jewish sacred places like Joseph's tomb. The Koran itself tells them to discriminate. Christians and Jews have to pay higher taxes (the Koran says so) and they can be "tolerated" but not equal to the Muslims. History shows that they are discriminatory, and right now we see that in action with the Temple Mount and how Islamic states treat non-Muslims like second class citizens.
 
Gray_Fox_86 said:
How can we stay out of Israel's affairs, when the whole Hollywierd is controlled by Zionists who will not let any US President do what is best for this country?
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Moderator's Warning:
Please refrain from advancing conspiracy theories of Jewish domination/world control that have their roots in anti-semitic documents such as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

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