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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Apology accepted........so you don't believe any of these things people are saying he is doing...........

    You know they said the same thing about Hitler in 1930 except Obama is as far left as Hitler was far right.........I only hope one thing that you people on the the left wake up before its to late........Israel use to be our number one allie in the middle east before Obama came around.....

    Think about it...........
    Wow now that is quite a statement. Most people would probably place someone like Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot as the leftist version of Hitler. But I guess with all of Obama's gun control, no term limits, ban on private property, conscription, censored press, single party system, party military, establishment of national language, removal of ethnic minorities, etc etc etc how can one not see the similarities.

    As for this fuss over Israel, relations are not poor or permanently damaged. This isn't the first time the US and Israel have had disagreements and it won't be the last. Bush and Clinton had disagreements with Israel over how talks with the Palestinians should go, and so does Obama, its nothing new and its not something thats going to change our relation with Israel.
    Clinton had his Oslo Accords which didn't change anything.
    Bush had his Road Map to peace which didn't really change much.
    Obama has his own ideas which so far seem to be just as productive.

    Also fun fact: Clinton, Bush and Obama all were/are against the expansion of Israeli settlements and Obama has in fact continued Bush's policy as defined in the "Road Map to Peace." Thats why all this hub-ub about settlements is coming from Obama, Israel is violating agreements of a BUSH policy. So if you are going to bash Obama for "destroying" US-Israeli relations you have to had just as much credit to Bush as well

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    Not much different that Jerusalem!
    Ummm...OK...I'll bite...2008 stats had 31.8 per 100k in DC while all of Israel had 3.3 per 100k...and Jerusalum was lower...soooooo....

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Wow now that is quite a statement. Most people would probably place someone like Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot as the leftist version of Hitler. But I guess with all of Obama's gun control, no term limits, ban on private property, conscription, censored press, single party system, party military, establishment of national language, removal of ethnic minorities, etc etc etc how can one not see the similarities.

    As for this fuss over Israel, relations are not poor or permanently damaged. This isn't the first time the US and Israel have had disagreements and it won't be the last. Bush and Clinton had disagreements with Israel over how talks with the Palestinians should go, and so does Obama, its nothing new and its not something thats going to change our relation with Israel.
    Clinton had his Oslo Accords which didn't change anything.
    Bush had his Road Map to peace which didn't really change much.
    Obama has his own ideas which so far seem to be just as productive.

    Also fun fact: Clinton, Bush and Obama all were/are against the expansion of Israeli settlements and Obama has in fact continued Bush's policy as defined in the "Road Map to Peace." Thats why all this hub-ub about settlements is coming from Obama, Israel is violating agreements of a BUSH policy. So if you are going to bash Obama for "destroying" US-Israeli relations you have to had just as much credit to Bush as well
    There is not much chance of there EVER being peace between the Israeli Jewish community and arab Palestinians. Its simply not going to happen. Not without one side or the other eliminated.

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There is not much chance of there EVER being peace between the Israeli Jewish community and arab Palestinians. Its simply not going to happen. Not without one side or the other eliminated.
    I'm hopeful, not for any solid reason, but I prefer being hopeful. At the very least one can look at the history of relations between Egypt and Israel and Jordan and Israel for a positive story. I know its a completely different situation but many people though Israel and Egypt would never get along, after all Israel has killed far more Egyptians than any other state its been at war with.

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Obama is between a rock and a hard place, he effectively promised the World he would deliver a solution to the Mid East Problem of Israel / Palestine.

    He has thus far failed to deliver anything meaningful.

    For example: He promised his own wife he would give up smoking, he reneged even on that.

    IMO I believe he underestimates the resolve of Israel and those in the USA who fund and back Israel.
    Israel cannot afford to surrender too much to a foe that has no intention of permanently agreeing to anything it signs, supposedly in good faith.
    Note what Hamas said with regards to agreements signed before they (Hamas) came to power.

    Palestinians cannot be trusted.

    IMO neither can Muslims be they American, Indonesian, Kenyan Muslims.

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Israel is an ally to the U.S. the way a cleaning lady is your friend. She takes care of the **** you're too lazy to do and at the end of the day she could honestly care less about having an actual relationship with you. Only thing is that she acts like she cares because you pay her. And we keep Israel from falling into an all out war with the rest of the Middle East. Trust me. For Israel it is a relationship of interest. For the U.S. it is a relationship fostered by Protestant Christianity. I wouldn't be surprised if most people in Israel could honestly care less about our support.
    You probably think Iran is a friend............sad..........
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You probably think Iran is a friend............sad..........
    Am I supposed to think you've provided any kind of reply?
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You probably think Iran is a friend............sad..........
    Wheres the response to my reply to your Obama rant?

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You probably think Iran is a friend............sad..........
    Wow, and you pulled the book on me? what has this got to do with anything Hatuey said?

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Obama is between a rock and a hard place, he effectively promised the World he would deliver a solution to the Mid East Problem of Israel / Palestine.

    He has thus far failed to deliver anything meaningful.

    For example: He promised his own wife he would give up smoking, he reneged even on that.

    IMO I believe he underestimates the resolve of Israel and those in the USA who fund and back Israel.
    Israel cannot afford to surrender too much to a foe that has no intention of permanently agreeing to anything it signs, supposedly in good faith.
    Note what Hamas said with regards to agreements signed before they (Hamas) came to power.

    Palestinians cannot be trusted.

    IMO neither can Muslims be they American, Indonesian, Kenyan Muslims.
    [bold emphasis added by bubba]
    i missed it
    please show us where Obama promised to resolve the middle east problem
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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