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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What parts of the criticism do you believe are valid? I think that your perspective will be a useful learning tool for some of the Israelis on the forum who believe that the U.S. should always support Israel in everything, no questions asked.
    Why are you saying that?
    I for one completely agree with most of the things that digsbe says, including the entire of his first post in this thread.
    So your analysis was quite wrong here.
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Oh good lord, read your source material before you post it.

    One mentions that some people(not Obama) posted anti0semitic crap on the board at his election website, another has nothing to do with Obama except to ask what he will do about anti-semitism(he gets mention in the first and last paragraph of that rather lengthy op-ed).
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And so you would just become the same nuclear disposal site.

    How would that help anything?
    There won't be 72 virgins not for me and not for you.
    Why would I become a nuclear disposal site. We need to install more nuclear power plants, people are always bitching about where to put the waste. Well we can put it all in Israel/Palestine and make the land completely unlivable for human life. France has a lot of nuclear power plants, etc. It's a win/win for the rest of the world. We don't have to listen to Israel and Palestine's constant and endless bitching, and we get a place to put our nuclear waste. Huzzah!
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    barack hussein (it's his NAME) obama's veep, the affable, gaffe-able, laughable joe biden, got rudely FLIPPED OFF to his affable, gaffe-able, laughable FACE by our only reliable allies in the region

    so the white house goes public, kvetching about this open, unambigous "insult"

    bh obama promised to change america's image abroad

    well, in this tiny corner of STILL the most strategic crossroads of the world, bh obama has succeeded

    the israelis are coming to HATE him

    ok, fine

    so, what do we have to SHOW for all this SUCCESS?

    WHERE'S THE RESULTS OF THE REACHOUT, bh?

    WHEN ARE YOU GONNA CHANGE IRAN VIA YOUR ADMIN'S MEETING WITH THEIR LEADERS?

    wasn't the personal diplomacy with iran a CENTERPIECE of your pretty campaign?

    what happened to this MAJOR PLANK of obamite foreign policy?

    and just look how the CHATTERING CLASS have given bh a PASS on his preposterous pledge

    NO ONE HOLDS HIM ACCOUNTABLE for completely DUMPING his reachout after being confronted with all of this UNCHANGED reality

    it is what it is

    OBAMA HAS NO FOREIGN POLICY, none

    all that remains overseas is his ESCALATION in afghanistan

    and the enemy he seeks, al qaeda, are mostly in PAKISTAN

    pathetic

    when's america's image abroad gonna change, bh?

    for the BETTER, that is?

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    BBC News - Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    There was suspicion that Obama is a closet anti-Semite, he then reached out to the powerful Jewish community and they ended up rallying around him.

    Now, Israeli/US relations are in the toilet. Is this because of Israeli actions alone, or is it because of the Muslim-loving US president, who has a dislike for Jews and Israel?
    what a clever fellow, that guy, Obama

    hiding his anti*semetism by hiring as his white house chief of staff a jew who aided the IDF during the '91 gulf war
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What do you believe Israel should be asked to do in the West Bank? What should we do if they don't start removing the questionable settlements?
    I think for the moment Israel should stop increasing settlements in the West Bank (a temporary freeze simply for the sake of peace). If they don't do that we should cut some funding, and if they refuse stop funding. Regardless, I think we need to here the Israeli argument first and understand why they wouldn't comply (if they don't). I think we should also be talking to the PLO and having them amend their charter, stop the terrorism, and stop the anti-semitic propaganda they push (especially in Gaza).

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I stated my understanding of the history of Israel above. Feel free to correct me if I mis-stated.

    Jarusalem and the surrounding area is considered holy to the Jewish, Christian and Islamic religions... why should the Jews supersede all other religions?
    I think the Jews would be more responsible with the holy sites. I am a Christian, and honestly those sites are not really holy to my religion, just sacred. It is more holy for the Jews over the Christians, and the Muslims really have less of a claim, it was Jewish first. Right now the Muslims have most of the sites under their control and this is what they do. With the Temple Mount only Muslims can pray, Jews and Christians are not allowed to murmur or speak out loud to God, prayer is specifically for Muslims only. Also, no Bibles, Tanakhs, crosses, Stars of David, or any non Muslim religious symbols may be on the mount. Basically others can visit, but only Muslims have rights, Jews have no rights on the site that is the holiest place in all Judaism. Plus we can see from history that the Muslims have desecrated Jewish sites (like Joseph's Tomb and other places). They have no respect for Judaism or Christianity and their policies and actions show that. The Muslims have Mecca, let the Jews have Jerusalem. I'm sure the Jews will be more sensible anyway over the current Muslim rulership.
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why would I become a nuclear disposal site. We need to install more nuclear power plants, people are always bitching about where to put the waste. Well we can put it all in Israel/Palestine and make the land completely unlivable for human life. France has a lot of nuclear power plants, etc. It's a win/win for the rest of the world. We don't have to listen to Israel and Palestine's constant and endless bitching, and we get a place to put our nuclear waste. Huzzah!
    Wow...

    Someone doesn't understand the power of religious beliefs.

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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why would I become a nuclear disposal site. We need to install more nuclear power plants, people are always bitching about where to put the waste. Well we can put it all in Israel/Palestine and make the land completely unlivable for human life. France has a lot of nuclear power plants, etc. It's a win/win for the rest of the world. We don't have to listen to Israel and Palestine's constant and endless bitching, and we get a place to put our nuclear waste. Huzzah!
    Why not just put it in la-la land, making the land completely unlivable for human life and sparing me the headache.
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Why not just put it in la-la land, making the land completely unlivable for human life and sparing me the headache.
    Because la-la land hasn't done anything like Israel to warrant the taking of all the land and kicking everyone out.
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    Re: Ties between Israel and US 'worst in 35 years'

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Because la-la land hasn't done anything like Israel to warrant the taking of all the land and kicking everyone out.
    I'm sure that's La-La land's opinion on the subject.





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