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'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

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WASHINGTON (AFP) – Suspected drug cartel "hit teams" gunned down an American consular employee and her husband in a Mexican border city and killed a co-worker's Mexican husband in a separate attack, a US official said Sunday.


The victims -- two Americans and a Mexican -- came under fire in separate locations as they were driving Saturday through Ciudad Juarez after earlier attending the same social event, the official said, speaking on condition of anonymity.


The killings marked an ominous turn in the drug violence wracking northern Mexico, and prompted the State Department to announce that Americans working at six US consulates in the border area could send their families away.


Times are bad in Mexico, but the latest attacks are acts of war. I am not against bombing runs on the homes of cartel members for starters. The way I see it, if the Mexican government can't do the job it needs to do, then we should do it for them.

Article is here.
 
I would say the problem is a number problem. The more you get involved, any troops you put on the ground. Any FBI agents or CIA you send into the field, any bombing you do will be met with retaliation at in a severe case the highest levels of government.

If you wanna get involved to that point, be ready for the consequences.

Its a dangerous situation to your country in any way you act.
 
Wow

My brother-in-law just got his visa from the consulate in Ciudad Juarez in February. My sister, mom, brother-in-law, and baby niece were in and around Juarez in January (where they spent time between there and Oxaca).


They believe the travel advisory to be a bit hyped, but that it did feel like a military state, as there were soldiers around every corner. Yet they did not feel threatened walking around their hotel and outside of their hotel (but couldn't stray too far).

The escalation is expected. Increasing the military/police presence is not going to defeat the cartel, as it is too powerful and too entrenched in that area.
 
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It's time to send in hunter/killer teams and start chopping off the heads of cartel members, regardless of their position within the cartel.
 
Times are bad in Mexico, but the latest attacks are acts of war. I am not against bombing runs on the homes of cartel members for starters. The way I see it, if the Mexican government can't do the job it needs to do, then we should do it for them.

Article is here.
This is definitely an act of war. I think it's time for serious business with the cartels.
 
The more you get involved, any troops you put on the ground.
Yes, not worth starting something unless we're willing to do what it takes to end it.
 
I reckon Mexico's decriminalizing pot didn't have quite the positive effect that some folks predicted.
 
Wow

My brother-in-law just got his visa from the consulate in Ciudad Juarez in February. My sister, mom, brother-in-law, and baby niece were in and around Juarez in January (where they spent time between there and Oxaca).


They believe the travel advisory to be a bit hyped, but that it did feel like a military state, as there were soldiers around every corner. Yet they did not feel threatened walking around their hotel and outside of their hotel (but couldn't stray too far).

The escalation is expected. Increasing the military/police presence is not going to defeat the cartel, as it is too powerful and too entrenched in that area.
Mexico
 
I reckon Mexico's decriminalizing pot didn't have quite the positive effect that some folks predicted.

What kind of moron would have expected the decriminalization of penalties for possession of small amounts of pot to have a positive effect on violence between cartels that traffic tens of thousands of kilos of pot/cocaine/heroin?

The point of decriminalizing small amounts of drugs is to reduce spending on pointless prosecutions and, in Mexico's case, to prevent corrupt cops from shaking down small time users.

The two are entirely unrelated.
 
Since there are two cartels, then there are two separate leaders. Bomb both their houses first with incendiary bombs then follow up with bunker busting bombs for underground structures.

Follow it up with destroying those parts of trafficking network that can be identified and cause minimal collateral damage.
 
This is definitely an act of war. I think it's time for serious business with the cartels.

How many decades have we been at war with various cartels already? Kill one leader, or take out one cartel, and 5 wanna be's go to war to replace the one that got killed. It is war with a hydra, cut off one head and you get multiple replacements - and survival of the fittest means they just get bigger and badder. So long as there are billions of dollars of black market proceeds to kill or be killed for, then the cartels and the violence will continue, regardless of how ferociously we play whack-a-mole.
 
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I reckon Mexico's decriminalizing pot didn't have quite the positive effect that some folks predicted.

That is about as silly as a person who lives next to a lake expecting mosquitos not to breed because they mopped up a mud puddle in the driveway, it also - as has already pointed out - was NOT why pot was decriminalized in Mexico, nor was there ANY expectation of it doing a thing to curb violence.
 
Wow

My brother-in-law just got his visa from the consulate in Ciudad Juarez in February. My sister, mom, brother-in-law, and baby niece were in and around Juarez in January (where they spent time between there and Oxaca).


They believe the travel advisory to be a bit hyped, but that it did feel like a military state, as there were soldiers around every corner. Yet they did not feel threatened walking around their hotel and outside of their hotel (but couldn't stray too far).

The escalation is expected. Increasing the military/police presence is not going to defeat the cartel, as it is too powerful and too entrenched in that area.

A bit hyped?

People are getting killed in broad daylight and to even be in the city is asking for it.

I am in Sinaloa, 2 hours from the cartels home city and the violence has come here.

Daily killings, in front of the police headquarters sometimes, like Saturday. The police have been warned by the bad guys to not get involved and they aren't. We are basically on our own.

No going out at night and not much during the day.

Juarez is 100 times worse than it is here.

If your family was smart they would stay out of all border towns until this is cleared up.
 
I reckon Mexico's decriminalizing pot didn't have quite the positive effect that some folks predicted.

You think the cartels are here because of the small amount they sell here in Mexico?

The problem is the US consumption.

They will do anything to keep their money coming in.
 
Since there are two cartels, then there are two separate leaders. Bomb both their houses first with incendiary bombs then follow up with bunker busting bombs for underground structures.

Follow it up with destroying those parts of trafficking network that can be identified and cause minimal collateral damage.

If you could find their houses, I guess you could do that.

Remember they have huge families so kill one and another family member will step in and then he will start randomly start killing any police officer or amry officer he sees.

It has already happened.

You are not dealing with an american criminal that is scared of the police.

These guys aren't scared of anything.

The Mexican army can't stop the violence, what makes you think an outside force can come in and easily kill the head of the cartels?
 
Times are bad in Mexico, but the latest attacks are acts of war. I am not against bombing runs on the homes of cartel members for starters. The way I see it, if the Mexican government can't do the job it needs to do, then we should do it for them.

Article is here.
I think we need to send you on a special mission to the capital with a can of refried beans. :mrgreen: That'll learn'em.
 
I reckon Mexico's decriminalizing pot didn't have quite the positive effect that some folks predicted.

You're actually right. Decriminalization just puts loop holes in the system. It keeps the product in the hands of criminals instead of bringing it into the free market. This is why legalization is the only real solution.
 
Times are bad in Mexico, but the latest attacks are acts of war. I am not against bombing runs on the homes of cartel members for starters. The way I see it, if the Mexican government can't do the job it needs to do, then we should do it for them.

Article is here.

I say we send all of the illegal Mexicans back home to fight the drug war.....;)
 
I reckon Mexico's decriminalizing pot didn't have quite the positive effect that some folks predicted.

That is because decriminalizing minor possession is a joke. How on earth can you link the "decriminalizing" of small amounts of cannabis to have a positive effect in regards to limiting the power of drug cartels?

Wanna stop drug cartels? Make cocaine and heroin legal....
 
1. Close the embassy and require all US government personnel to return back to the US

2. Lock down the border or only allow travel within a certain time span

3. Let Mexico fix its own mess
 
Time for some Noriega style tactics.

It worked wonders in Panama.
 
Not that it actually concerns any of my future travel plans, since I've never had a desire to go to Mexico, but the military has put all border towns of Texas and Arizona off limits to military personnel except for official business because of this incident.
 
It's time find out who is responsible for the attacks and then hunt them down using the same tactics we used to get Pablo Escobar back in 1993.

The hit squad ****bags need to be aware that attacking Americans means they and those around them die and their drug cashes are destroyed.
 
All the blow up the bad guys stuff sounds good from the arm chair view but it needs to be remembered that these cartels have their own armies with personal on both sides of the borders. remember all the drug related court house bombings and assassinations in Columbia? Would not surprise me to see terrorists attacks by the cartels on American soil if the military goes in after them. These guys are underground fighters and dirty tactics are favorite tactics. Young old male female all legitimate targets to them. Like Mason said. They are not afraid of anybody and they are not just willing to kill they are eager to kill.

Moe
 
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