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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    It has been suggested here to lighten penalties on casual drug users.

    I say charge them with the murders of the drug cartels and build special jails for them.

    They are why the cartels are willing to kill innocent people to keep their business going.

    Do you people realize, for example, the head of the Sinaloa Cartel in Culiacan lives in a nice neighborhood next to many innocnet people that may or may not know what he does.

    You are willing to bomb his house and kill everybody around him.

    We are not talking about Afghanistan here where the people are living in a desert.

    These are nice neighborhoods. Doctors, lawyers and professionals.

    How many innocent people are you willing to kill to get to the head of the cartel which will accomplish absolutely nothing.

    Here in Mexico there are so many small groups killing people now, just killing the head of the Sinaloa Cartel won't get anything done.

    How do you identify them when they never show their faces, always under hoods??????? Who are they and where do they live? Nobody knows. Always using stolen vehicles so no trace to anybody.

    Tell me how we find and kill them.

    What is being done about gangs in your area. Same thing. Should you bomb their houses and kill everybody around them? I bet you wouldn't just in case there is a gang member living next to you that you don't know about, or somebody that is identified as a gang member whether they are or not. Same bomb, same death.
    Yo entiendo que va hacer muy dificil. Pero hay que usar intelligencia cuando pelias algo como los narcos. Por eso yo creo que debemos de preguntar para ayuda de los gringos. Que nos mande soldados de las esforcias especiales que tienen la experiencia para peliar los narcos.

    Tambien es tiempo que Mexico usar el dinero que ganan de Pemex para comprar armas modernas. Y probalamente tambien necesitan comprar avionas que no tienen mas de 40 anos. Deben de comprar algunos avionos como los Migs o Su de rusia, los avionos son baratos y tambien buenos. Pero es una cosa terible que la militar de mexico no tiene nada bueno para sus soldados.
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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Yo entiendo que va hacer muy dificil. Pero hay que usar intelligencia cuando pelias algo como los narcos. Por eso yo creo que debemos de preguntar para ayuda de los gringos. Que nos mande soldados de los esforcias especiales que tienen la experiencia para peliar los narcos.
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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Why not? Ending alcohol prohibition did. Not having prohibition on other drugs continues to. (i.e. how many caffeine drug lords have you heard of?) What makes you think this would be any different?


    Well in that case, I say charge the prohibitionists with murder because they're the ones who implemented the draconian policies which led to the rise of these drug cartels. Not really, but just saying that cuts both ways.

    Seriously though. If there's one lesson to be learned from the WoD failure, it's the fact that harsh penalties don't affect the rate of drug use, they only make the drug problem worse than it already is. That's because prohibition mischaracterizes drug use as a criminal problem instead of a medical problem. Like using a screwdriver to turn a bolt, prohibition is simply the wrong tool for the job.
    Lets talk specifically about Marijuana prohibition.

    One of the major differences between those who made liquor during prohibition (who were mostly family farmers who needed to make money during the depression) was they were not criminals (although criminals supplied the liquor once it was made into the cities).

    One of the biggest reasons you can't just legalize pot, is because the suppliers and the growers are on the whole criminal operations. If yah legalized it, do those suppliers and growers suddenly become Legitimate?

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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Lets talk specifically about Marijuana prohibition.

    One of the major differences between those who made liquor during prohibition (who were mostly family farmers who needed to make money during the depression) was they were not criminals (although criminals supplied the liquor once it was made into the cities).

    One of the biggest reasons you can't just legalize pot, is because the suppliers and the growers are on the whole criminal operations. If yah legalized it, do those suppliers and growers suddenly become Legitimate?
    But also what do you do when the criminals do not care for human life? Now that all of a sudden it is legal, will that make killers into non-killers? Those killers are a product of where they grew up, and many of them will not stop killing until they are killed or in prison.

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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Lets talk specifically about Marijuana prohibition.

    One of the major differences between those who made liquor during prohibition (who were mostly family farmers who needed to make money during the depression) was they were not criminals (although criminals supplied the liquor once it was made into the cities).

    One of the biggest reasons you can't just legalize pot, is because the suppliers and the growers are on the whole criminal operations. If yah legalized it, do those suppliers and growers suddenly become Legitimate?
    Why is everyone so hung up on the idea that criminals would still be in the loop after legalization?

    How are they going to compete? And why the hell would they be allowed to be legitimate?

    The drug market would be regulated and put in the control of legitimate business interests, the smugglers, and the black marketers would get starved out of existence.

    really it is not hard to grow, and I am sure Phillip Morris and RJ Reynolds, and who knows what other legitimate interests would be more than happy for a new revenue stream.

    Why would anyone buy illegal Mexican grown schwag (or any black market product) when there would be a cheaper, better domestic product just a drive away legally?
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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's all a nice little mealy mouthed way of saying we should just legalize drugs because "we can't" fight the cartels and that is something neither I nor most Americans will accept. If it takes a presence equal to that of Afghanistan, then it should be our next priority if the killings continue.

    I think you have idea that the cartels have some disciplined army at their disposal...that they have some will to fight a protracted war with us if it actually comes to open warfare.

    One thing we have never done is demoralize them, terrorize them, and exterminate them. I don't care if we do it with bombs, I don't care if we do it with swat teams, I don't care if we do it with little assasinations here and there. All that I care is that we do it. There are so many options at our disposal that I cannot fathom rolling over on our backs and allowing their trade to continue unimpeded by simply legalizing their trade.

    If we do legalize their trade, what do you think their response is going to be? Do you think they are gonna just let little shops open and cut into their profit? Do you think they won't attempt to intimidate and extort and control the growing industry that results? I mean, you seem to think there's this vast network of 100k soldiers working for them, all sitting in little holes just ready to pounce...what makes you think they wont be used to strong arm businesses?

    No, we attack ruthlessly and at every opportunity. Make it a mark of misfortune for anyone to be tied to them. You can cry legalize it all you want but in the end these thugs understand violence and that's how they should be responded to.
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    Re: HjnRe: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico:b US

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    You should try and stop them any way you can.

    It is very dangerous there.
    I tried. They went yesterday and are back safe and sound. Thank goodness!

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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    One of the biggest reasons you can't just legalize pot, is because the suppliers and the growers are on the whole criminal operations. If yah legalized it, do those suppliers and growers suddenly become Legitimate?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    But also what do you do when the criminals do not care for human life? Now that all of a sudden it is legal, will that make killers into non-killers? Those killers are a product of where they grew up, and many of them will not stop killing until they are killed or in prison.
    This sounds like saying we can't repeal prohibition because of the problems prohibition has caused.

    If you're truly concerned about what these murderous thugs can do, then take away their multi-billion dollar industry so they don't have such monumental power and influence.

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    Re: 'Hit teams' attack US consular staff, families in Mexico: US

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    Yo entiendo que va hacer muy dificil. Pero hay que usar intelligencia cuando pelias algo como los narcos. Por eso yo creo que debemos de preguntar para ayuda de los gringos. Que nos mande soldados de las esforcias especiales que tienen la experiencia para peliar los narcos.

    Tambien es tiempo que Mexico usar el dinero que ganan de Pemex para comprar armas modernas. Y probalamente tambien necesitan comprar avionas que no tienen mas de 40 anos. Deben de comprar algunos avionos como los Migs o Su de rusia, los avionos son baratos y tambien buenos. Pero es una cosa terible que la militar de mexico no tiene nada bueno para sus soldados.
    Ok. I will translate this because I received a warning for not writting in English.
    "I understand that it will be very difficult, but when you are fighting an enemy like the narcos you must use intelligence(agencies). That is why I believe we must ask for help from the USA. They should send us(Mexico) special forces soldiers that have had experience fighting narcos.
    It is also time for Mexico to start using the money it earns from Pemex to buy modern weaponry. It is probably time to buy new airplanes that are not more than 40yrs old. You should buy Migs/Sus from Russia, they are cheap and also good. It is a terrible thing that the military of Mexico has nothing good for it's soldiers to use."
    There for all of you who can only speak English.

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