I think you have idea that the cartels have some disciplined army at their disposal...that they have some will to fight a protracted war with us if it actually comes to open warfare.
One thing we have never done is demoralize them, terrorize them, and exterminate them. I don't care if we do it with bombs, I don't care if we do it with swat teams, I don't care if we do it with little assasinations here and there. All that I care is that we do it. There are so many options at our disposal that I cannot fathom rolling over on our backs and allowing their trade to continue unimpeded by simply legalizing their trade.
If we do legalize their trade, what do you think their response is going to be? Do you think they are gonna just let little shops open and cut into their profit? Do you think they won't attempt to intimidate and extort and control the growing industry that results? I mean, you seem to think there's this vast network of 100k soldiers working for them, all sitting in little holes just ready to pounce...what makes you think they wont be used to strong arm businesses?
No, we attack ruthlessly and at every opportunity. Make it a mark of misfortune for anyone to be tied to them. You can cry legalize it all you want but in the end these thugs understand violence and that's how they should be responded to.
You are under the impression that legalizing it would allow their trade to continue.. the reason to legalize it is to eliminate their trade.
The only people whose trade would continue would be a few farmers that will be growing the coca/opium to feed their family regardless. There already is a legitimized LEGAL opium production setup in place, it is a legitimate source of income for many, and a legitimate source for prescription drugs across the world, there is no need for criminals or cartels in the production chain..
You are stuck thinking that somehow criminals would still be in charge.. no the point of legalizing drugs is to get them out of the loop, to put them out of business, their presence is intolerable and unacceptable, our motives are the same our approaches different.
A comparison: Are mafias and gangs still in charge of Alcohol production, importation, distribution?? How long did they stay in business after prohibition was repealed? this is the exact same thing.. legalize and only let legitimate businesses participate. No more money for cartels, no more money for gangs, no more criminals selling to kids in our schools, no more kids in our schools being enticed into gangs by the allure of drug money.. I could go on, but it would start getting beyond the scope of this thread.
Drugs are bad, I want drug abuse to go away, we have a drug problem in this country, I want to treat it, we cannot treat it when we are also creating and fighting a massive unnecessary criminal problem alongside our drug problem.
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Law Enforcement Against Prohibition
Drugs are bad, prohibition is worse
Whenever black market supply goes down, street prices and trafficker profits go up. That reinforces all the conditions that lead to violence like this. Unless we can make the plant species totally extinct, attempts to remove the supply will continue to cause more problems than they solve. The best way to fight the WoD is to focus on lowering demand through education and deglamorization, but not incarceration because drug abuse is a medical problem, not criminal.
I also dont believe that low level users are being punished in the US. How much time did Yasmine Bleeth do for cocaine use? or most people who get caught with an 8 ball. (personal use).
Conservatives believe the government is incompetent, and seek to elect people who will prove it
Ignorance is Bliss Bliss is the same as happiness US Christian conservatives are the happiest in the US according to studies Do you see a connection?
It has been suggested here to lighten penalties on casual drug users.
I say charge them with the murders of the drug cartels and build special jails for them.
They are why the cartels are willing to kill innocent people to keep their business going.
Do you people realize, for example, the head of the Sinaloa Cartel in Culiacan lives in a nice neighborhood next to many innocnet people that may or may not know what he does.
You are willing to bomb his house and kill everybody around him.
We are not talking about Afghanistan here where the people are living in a desert.
These are nice neighborhoods. Doctors, lawyers and professionals.
How many innocent people are you willing to kill to get to the head of the cartel which will accomplish absolutely nothing.
Here in Mexico there are so many small groups killing people now, just killing the head of the Sinaloa Cartel won't get anything done.
How do you identify them when they never show their faces, always under hoods??????? Who are they and where do they live? Nobody knows. Always using stolen vehicles so no trace to anybody.
Tell me how we find and kill them.
What is being done about gangs in your area. Same thing. Should you bomb their houses and kill everybody around them? I bet you wouldn't just in case there is a gang member living next to you that you don't know about, or somebody that is identified as a gang member whether they are or not. Same bomb, same death.
Seriously though. If there's one lesson to be learned from the WoD failure, it's the fact that harsh penalties don't affect the rate of drug use, they only make the drug problem worse than it already is. That's because prohibition mischaracterizes drug use as a criminal problem instead of a medical problem. Like using a screwdriver to turn a bolt, prohibition is simply the wrong tool for the job.