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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

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    She was not violating military regulations. She was given a good conduct discharge because she was gay. Being married to some one of the same sex just gave her no room to argue that she was not gay. If she was in violation of military regulations(for example, she was caught engaged in sodomy), she would receive a general or other than honorable discharge. I have linked the DADT policies for you before.
    It may have slipped your notice, but there is a ban on gays serving in the military. She enlisted, knowing that the ban is in place, therefore she violated military regulations.

    Also, you are aware of the DoD regulations regarding dependents. Yes?

    She was in serious violation for not informing her chain of command that she has a spouse. Since she was living off post, no doubt she was receiving BAQ. There's potential here to defraud the government.

    So, no, she isn't an innocent victim, here.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    She was not violating military regulations. She was given a good conduct discharge because she was gay. Being married to some one of the same sex just gave her no room to argue that she was not gay. If she was in violation of military regulations(for example, she was caught engaged in sodomy), she would receive a general or other than honorable discharge. I have linked the DADT policies for you before.
    USMEPCOM Req 601-23

    d. A member may be separated for violation of laws or regulations regarding sexual conduct of members or
    the Armed Forces, for example, engaging or attempting to engage in a homosexual act or soliciting another to
    engage in such an act; for stating that he or she is homosexual or bisexual, or words to that effect, or for
    marrying or attempting to marry an individual of the same sex.
    She went to another state and got married to someone of the same-sex.

    Right or wrong, that's against military regulations.

    Like simply calling people homophobes, claiming she didn't brake any regulations harms efforts to allow gays to serve openly because you are being dishonest.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Damn, that sucks. One would hope there would be some accountability on behalf of the officer's actions; but there's not a lot of oversight with police these days. They'll do what they want, when they want, and the rest of us can piss off. But it sounds like there was bad moves on the police, and it needs to be looked into and punishment should be handed out.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post

    It may have slipped your notice, but there is a ban on gays serving in the military. She enlisted, knowing that the ban is in place, therefore she violated military regulations.

    Also, you are aware of the DoD regulations regarding dependents. Yes?

    She was in serious violation for not informing her chain of command that she has a spouse. Since she was living off post, no doubt she was receiving BAQ. There's potential here to defraud the government.

    So, no, she isn't an innocent victim, here.
    How in the world could she defraud the government? There is absolutely no way that she could have claimed her spouse as a dependent without proof. The only proof she would have is the marriage certificate, which would have proven that she was violating DADT. And, she was either an E-5 or E-6, which in most branches authorizes her to request to live off base and receive single BAH. Also, even without DADT, her spouse would not be entitled to be considered as a dependent due to DOMA.

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    USMEPCOM Req 601-23



    She went to another state and got married to someone of the same-sex.

    Right or wrong, that's against military regulations.

    Like simply calling people homophobes, claiming she didn't brake any regulations harms efforts to allow gays to serve openly because you are being dishonest.
    Semi-sorta. It's a semantics thing for the most part. Think of it as the difference between a civil and criminal trial. From my earlier source:

    ďDonít Ask, Donít TellĒ discharges are administrative in
    nature, not criminal, and therefore, service members being
    discharged under ďDonít Ask, Donít TellĒ are entitled to a set
    administrative process.
    They are not being charged with misconduct, gays are just assumed to be "incompatible" with military service.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    It may have slipped your notice, but there is a ban on gays serving in the military. She enlisted, knowing that the ban is in place, therefore she violated military regulations.
    Gays are allowed to serve in the military under DADT, as long as they do not "tell". The command learning she was married is equivalent to her "telling"

    Also, you are aware of the DoD regulations regarding dependents. Yes?

    She was in serious violation for not informing her chain of command that she has a spouse. Since she was living off post, no doubt she was receiving BAQ. There's potential here to defraud the government.

    So, no, she isn't an innocent victim, here.
    Where do you come up with this crap. According to the federal government, she is not married(see DOMA). She would not be able to get married BAH(what BAQ and VHA is called these days from what I hear), and was getting single BAH. This actually saves the government money. With 9 years in, probably an E-6, so about a 218 dollar savings to the government a month. Gotta hate people saving the government money...

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Local authorities have a legal responsibility to inform the military when service members are violating military regulations.
    Link?

    Does that responsibility extend to making up some bull**** story about how they happened to look through her window and see a marriage license that just happened to take place after she declined to abandon her post to come home and help them with their investigation?
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Link?

    Does that responsibility extend to making up some bull**** story about how they happened to look through her window and see a marriage license that just happened to take place after she declined to abandon her post to come home and help them with their investigation?
    Unless you're alleging that the cop entered her home illegally, even if there is no requirement for cops to report you don't have a point.

    In your estimation, how else would the cops have known she was married? Not guesses, but how else would they actually have known?
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Unless you're alleging that the cop entered her home illegally, even if there is no requirement for cops to report you don't have a point.

    In your estimation, how else would the cops have known she was married? Not guesses, but how else would they actually have known?
    I'm alleging that the story of "we just happened to be there looking for her and just happened to look through a kitchen window and see a marriage certificate and just happened to call the base, not because we wanted to rat her out, but because it was relevant to our investigation" is a load of ****.

    I don't know how they would have known. They could have interviewed a neighbor, they could have interviewed her wife in the past, they could have known somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody, etc.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm alleging that the story of "we just happened to be there looking for her and just happened to look through a kitchen window and see a marriage certificate and just happened to call the base, not because we wanted to rat her out, but because it was relevant to our investigation" is a load of ****.

    I don't know how they would have known. They could have interviewed a neighbor, they could have interviewed her wife in the past, they could have known somebody who knew somebody who knew somebody, etc.
    I agree, they could have known some other way and just found a way to fit their knowledge into the situation.

    Cops do this all the time. "I have dirt on you so you'd better cooperate or else".

    I also don't believe their phone call to the Sgt was 100% professional and civil. I'll bet you there were words exchanged.

    As a person who supports abolishing anti-blackmail laws, all I have to say about this Sgt is, well, she shouldn't have gotten married while in the service then. She knew it was against regulation before she got married, she hid it by not reporting herself to her CO, and the cops got her. She made her bed.

    Gays, I hope the rule is overturned very soon, and I hope this Sgt is allowed to return to duty when it is, but don't be stupid and **** yourself before the rule is changed. Your country is more important than your personal relationships, so your duty to your country MUST come first.; otherwise don't sign up.
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