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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First, not everyone requires a clearance for their job. Second, 5 years is for a top secret clearance. Secret clearances last 10 years. And the most commonly needed security clearance is secret.
    As I said in my first post, I don't know if her job required a clearance or not. Guess you missed that part.

    Thanks for the clarification on the secret clearance. I had a TS clearance most of my career and had forgotten about the timeframe for secret clearances.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by obsequious View Post
    I will try and be more coherent.

    The analogy is due to circumstance in the military. Men and women's quarters, and facilities are segregated for the very reason that there is a DADT policy.

    For privacy from sexual objectification, and safety... though somewhat reversed. An open gay will be ostracized due to that whole first thing.

    Are women considered to be "closed minded" or "archaic" because they do not wish to be naked before their sexual counterparts? If you are considered to be a sexual counterpart do you feel you should be forced to be naked before them?


    I thought it was kind of an obvious reference... but I will try and be simpler in the future.
    This fails, and it fails in a very simple way. Gay men are not women, they are the same gender as strait men. Gay women are not men, they are the same gender as strait women. Your objection is based on your own personal emotional reaction, and has no real basis in fact.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    She's wrong in that she violated the rules of DADT. DADT is wrong in that it's a terrible policy. The police are wrong in that it seems pretty clear that they're lying about their actions.

    Whole lotta wrong to go around.
    Under DADT, the military still would not have looked for the marriage. It has to be brought to their attention. The three criteria for discharge under DADT(telling some one you are gay, being caught in a sexual act with some one of the same sex(by the way, holding hands with some one of the same sex falls under this), or having your command learn of a gay marriage, or civil union) delineate how the command can ensure you are gay and thus discharge you. In other words, you cannot say "no, I am not gay" if you have a marriage certificate saying you are married or in a union with some one of the same sex(civil unions are considered "attempted marriages").

    Further reading: http://sldn.3cdn.net/48ee19f69cf2e4d028_54m6bri8u.pdf
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    They had every right to 'out' her, it was public knowledge......

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Nope. It was homophobia.

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    Nope. It was homophobia.
    You tawkin' to me?......

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    The thugs in blue once again **** someone over???!! Why am I not surprised?
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

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    What the police did to this woman is unacceptable. They have ZERO right to reveal sexual orientation to ANYBODY.


    Local authorities have a legal responsibility to inform the military when service members are violating military regulations.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The sad part is the discharge is perfectly legal. Once the command has the allegation, the gay servicemember has two options, lie(which puts them in a bad position legally, with a potential BCD at worse, a general discharge at best), or admit it and take the discharge.
    I think that's the part that people usually miss with DADT. A gay service member doesn't have to admit to being gay, straight, or anything else.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post

    What the police did to this woman is unacceptable. They have ZERO right to reveal sexual orientation to ANYBODY.


    Local authorities have a legal responsibility to inform the military when service members are violating military regulations.
    She was not violating military regulations. She was given a good conduct discharge because she was gay. Being married to some one of the same sex just gave her no room to argue that she was not gay. If she was in violation of military regulations(for example, she was caught engaged in sodomy), she would receive a general or other than honorable discharge. I have linked the DADT policies for you before.
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