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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    I don't understand why some people are still so gung-ho about DADT. It is a bad policy, and clearly this article is an example of why, yet there are some of you here who keep saying the Sgt was wrong and she knew what she was getting into, and blah blah blah.

    Yet, I bet you can't name one benefit that has come out of this debacle. What good did DADT achieve here?

    Did it allow the police to do a better job? Did the military eliminate a "risk factor"? Did it allow the military to be more effective?

    Seriously, what benefit has come out of this because of DADT? Anything?!
    I'm a Conservative, so this is saying something: I think you need to give Clinton more credit for issuing DADT. Much like how Blacks were considered 3/5 of a person for a time before finaly being counted as whole people, so did DADT create a period of time for everyone to acclimate to idea of gays serving openly in the military. DADT changed a military culture of complete rejection of gays by forcing everyone to realize that gays may be serving with them legally right now.

    I realize the 3/5th rule served a different cause, and I know the 3/5th rule was about representation whereas DADT is not. As I already have a basic understanding of US history despite the public education system's best efforts, please spare me any irrelevant arguments pointing out that difference. I know, and I'm making another point.

    Sure, DADT still forces gays to stay in the closet while they're serving, but if it weren't for DADT I don't think we could realistically push for gays to serve openly today. I think DADT helped sway public opinion, and in that way is not as bad of a policy as it may appear to be.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    I'm a Conservative, so this is saying something: I think you need to give Clinton more credit for issuing DADT. Much like how Blacks were considered 3/5 of a person for a time before finaly being counted as whole people, so did DADT create a period of time for everyone to acclimate to idea of gays serving openly in the military. DADT changed a military culture of complete rejection of gays by forcing everyone to realize that gays may be serving with them legally right now.

    I realize the 3/5th rule served a different cause, and I know the 3/5th rule was about representation whereas DADT is not. As I already have a basic understanding of US history despite the public education system's best efforts, please spare me any irrelevant arguments pointing out that difference. I know, and I'm making another point.

    Sure, DADT still forces gays to stay in the closet while they're serving, but if it weren't for DADT I don't think we could realistically push for gays to serve openly today. I think DADT helped sway public opinion, and in that way is not as bad of a policy as it may appear to be.
    good point jerry.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Sure, DADT still forces gays to stay in the closet while they're serving, but if it weren't for DADT I don't think we could realistically push for gays to serve openly today. I think DADT helped sway public opinion, and in that way is not as bad of a policy as it may appear to be.
    Yup, another step on the path downward......

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    DADT is bad policy, but the cops weren't in the wrong here.
    yes, they absolutely were in the wrong. what possible reason was there for them to inform the military?

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    Yup, another step on the path downward......
    Gays serving openly in the military can only be a good thing.

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    I'm pointing this out in a separate post because I am sick to death of your dishonesty

    A quote from page 15 from YOU. No one else, YOU.



    Did she get married Redress? Did anyone force her to get married? Did she know the consequences of getting married? Is she responsible for her own actions.

    YES NO YES AND YES.

    HER actions LED to her discharge Redress. This double-talk bull**** you spew that somehow she can be discharged legally for being married but remain blameless is the worst form of deceptive dishonesty.

    Your pitiful doubletalk has once again been exposed.
    of course she's responsible for her actions, which DID NOT include outing herself to her employers. she is blameless under dadt, she upheld her end of the bargain. she didn't tell.

    the police actions led to her discharge, plainly.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Gays serving openly in the military can only be a good thing.
    It didn't help the muslims in Srebrenca, but I'll wait for Textmaster to post that tidbit....
    Gays serving openly will cause a lack of cohesion, IMO......

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    of course she's responsible for her actions, which DID NOT include outing herself to her employers. she is blameless under dadt, she upheld her end of the bargain. she didn't tell.

    the police actions led to her discharge, plainly
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    As well they should, she broke the rules.....

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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I'm asking for alternate theories for the preponderance of heterosexuality. Got any?
    from wikipedia

    In 2004, Italian researchers conducted a study of about 4,600 people who were the relatives of 98 homosexual and 100 heterosexual men. Female relatives of the homosexual men tended to have more offspring than those of the heterosexual men. Female relatives of the homosexual men on their mother's side tended to have more offspring than those on the father's side. The researchers concluded that there was genetic material being passed down on the X chromosome which both promotes fertility in the mother and homosexuality in her male offspring. The connections discovered, would explain about 20% of the cases studied, indicating that this is a highly significant but not the sole genetic factor determining sexual orientation.
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    Re: Lesbian sgt. discharged after police tell military

    Quote Originally Posted by Partisan View Post
    It didn't help the muslims in Srebrenca, but I'll wait for Textmaster to post that tidbit....
    Gays serving openly will cause a lack of cohesion, IMO......
    What gives your opinion any legitimacy?

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