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    APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story - Yahoo! News

    Sometimes a story just catches my eye, and this one did.

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    Investigators with Toyota Motor Corp. and the federal government were unable to make a Toyota Prius speed out of control as its owner said it did on a California freeway, according to a memorandum obtained Saturday by The Associated Press that a congressional spokesman says casts doubt on the driver's story.

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    The brakes on the Prius also did not show wear consistent with having been applied at full force at high speeds for a long period, the Wall Street Journal reported Saturday, citing three people familiar with the probe, whom it did not name. The newspaper said the brakes may have been applied intermittently.
    The investigation is far from complete, and there are conflicting reports even within this article.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    I saw the cop interviewed who was there on the highway with him and he said he could smell the burning brakes. The brake pads also showed a ton of wear upon inspection.

    It's alarming how badly Toyota has handled this crisis.

    And the man who was driving that Prius has received death threats! This is so crazy.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    I saw the cop interviewed who was there on the highway with him and he said he could smell the burning brakes. The brake pads also showed a ton of wear upon inspection.

    It's alarming how badly Toyota has handled this crisis.

    And the man who was driving that Prius has received death threats! This is so crazy.
    Yeah, the brakes thing is one of the thing where the article linked has conflicting reports. The death threats thing makes no sense to me. Who would, and why?
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Yeah, the brakes thing is one of the thing where the article linked has conflicting reports.
    Yeah, and since the conflicting report is coming from Toyota I believe the reports by the police and other inspectors.

    The death threats thing makes no sense to me. Who would, and why?
    I suppose someone who owned a lot of stock in Toyota.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    There was a great article that pointed out that 90% of incidents like this are due to human error, not any sort of car malfunction, and criticized the media for being such drama whores by taking every minor incident and turning it into proof of DEATHTOYOTA2010. Can't find it now, but it was great.

    edit: not the original, but as usual the Stosselnator handles business.

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    But to put the Toyota problem in perspective, before all the media hype, 19 fatal accidents were linked to faulty gas pedals and floor mats over the last decade. That's fewer than 2 each year. Compare that to America’s 40,000 annual fatal car crashes.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There was a great article that pointed out that 90% of incidents like this are due to human error, not any sort of car malfunction, and criticized the media for being such drama whores by taking every minor incident and turning it into proof of DEATHTOYOTA2010. Can't find it now, but it was great.

    edit: not the original, but as usual the Stosselnator handles business.

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    It has been a lot of hype. I would wager that this case is human error or fraud.

    Personally I think it is a way of getting back at the non US car industry (with Toyota being the big one) and getting more business for the home grown companies (GM, Ford, Chrysler). Look at Capitol hill.. the biggest critics are those that dont have a Toyota plant in their back yard but often a GM or Ford one.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    Yeah, and since the conflicting report is coming from Toyota I believe the reports by the police and other inspectors.



    I suppose someone who owned a lot of stock in Toyota.
    Actually, it's not coming from Toyota, who are not answering questions on the investigation. From the linked source(which has been updated a bit):

    During two hours of test drives of Sikes' car Thursday, technicians with Toyota and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration failed to duplicate the same experience that Sikes described, according to the memo written by the Republican staff of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform. One congressional staff member observed the investigation of Sikes' Prius.

    "Every time the technician placed the gas pedal to the floor and the brake pedal to the floor the engine shut off and the car immediately started to slow down," the memo said.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    I find it interesting that Car&Driver and other auto sites that have done full throttle brake testing have been able to stop the vehicle demonstrating that brakes can overcome the engine.
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    It also interesting that the report stated the backup mechanism that shuts off the engine when the brake and gas pedals are floored also worked properly during tests. As far as breaking, the posted news article states that during the incident when the parking brake was applied the vehicle began to slow. I for one don't believe the driver laid on the brakes hard enough. I think he pumped the brakes at first.

    Was it a fluke problem on the Prius, or is the driver not telling us everything? I'm leaning towards driver error.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    The memo did say that investigators found the front brake pads were spent.

    "Visually checking the brake pads and rotor it was clearly visible that there was nothing left," it said.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    What would you rather trust a Toyota or a Pinto?

    The cop might have just said what ever made him look like a hero.

    The brakes can be checked by anyone who have worked on brakes and verify if they were heating up. Can't you put a car in neutral anymore? Screw the engine if it blows it blows.

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