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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Car and Driver has done a recent test on a few cars

    Testing whether the brakes can stop a car even with the gas pedle floored

    Even at 80 mph a Camry came to a full stop

    Only the Ford Mustang GT 500 ( a supercharged 500 hp car ) had dramatically longer stops at high speed with the throttle open and the brakes fully applied, but it still stopped
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Toyota casts doubt on account of runaway Prius - washingtonpost.com

    "There are significant inconsistencies between the account of March 8 and the findings of this investigation," Toyota spokesman Mike Michels said. After weeks of public apologies by top-level company officials, Toyota has begun to fight back with engineering evidence to say that its cars are safe.

    Michels and other Toyota officials said that Sikes's Prius was subjected to extensive testing at a Toyota dealership in El Cajon, Calif., including the inspection of individual parts and vehicle systems as well as diagnostic testing of the car's on-board computers and data recorder. The front brakes on the Prius were found to be ground down, said Toyota product quality vice president Bob Waltz, so the car was outfitted with new brakes and test-driven several times. It did not experience runaway acceleration.

    Michels said that if Sikes had heavily applied the brakes simultaneously with the accelerator, as he said he did, "it would have easily stopped the vehicle
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    I just heard the Toyota spokesman on the radio, he said the grinding down of the brakes was consistent with applying the brake lightly for a long period of time, not with applying the brakes hard all at once.

    So this guy did not follow Toyota's or the 911 operator's instructions, and it turns out he has a bit of a shady past, so I'm going with Toyota on this one.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    I have not seen this anywhere so here it is.

    My buddy bought a 2010 Camry.

    I took it on a 2 hour trip.

    On deceleration the revs stay the same and the car applies the brakes to slow it down. I assume that is to reduce emmissions. It bothered me because the brakes are going to wear out much earlier than any other car and I think safety trumps emmissions.

    For example if you were at freeway speeds and the revs were at 1500 RPM and you took your foot off the gas, the revs stay at 1500 and the brakes are applied by the car to get the same declleration that you would normally get. The revs came down slowly during that time.

    It is not hard to believe, being that the gas pedal is not connected to the engine but goes through the computer, that it can accelerate itself.

    If you have a crazy computer it will control the car.

    After driving my buddys car all I can is it is possible for the computer to accelerate the car.

    To know how the system works we would have to talk to a Toyota mechanic.

    Cars are getting too technologically advanced for me. Too many issues can happen.

    I will stick with my old cars because I understand how they work.

    My 1969 Impala wagon runs just fine and looks good too.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    I have not seen this anywhere so here it is.

    My buddy bought a 2010 Camry.

    I took it on a 2 hour trip.

    On deceleration the revs stay the same and the car applies the brakes to slow it down. I assume that is to reduce emmissions. It bothered me because the brakes are going to wear out much earlier than any other car and I think safety trumps emmissions.

    For example if you were at freeway speeds and the revs were at 1500 RPM and you took your foot off the gas, the revs stay at 1500 and the brakes are applied by the car to get the same declleration that you would normally get. The revs came down slowly during that time.

    It is not hard to believe, being that the gas pedal is not connected to the engine but goes through the computer, that it can accelerate itself.

    If you have a crazy computer it will control the car.

    After driving my buddys car all I can is it is possible for the computer to accelerate the car.

    To know how the system works we would have to talk to a Toyota mechanic.

    Cars are getting too technologically advanced for me. Too many issues can happen.

    I will stick with my old cars because I understand how they work.

    My 1969 Impala wagon runs just fine and looks good too.
    Toyota didn't find a problem with the car's computer.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Toyota didn't find a problem with the car's computer.
    Have you ever had a crazy computer in a car?

    Sometimes codes don't show up.

    I don't know what happened with this particular car but all I am saying is it is possible considering their system.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    I was unaware that a Prius could break 60 mph.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Toyota didn't find a problem with the car's computer.
    I listened to Paul Ingrassia yesterday on the Dennis Prager show, he is a man with a reason to hold a grudge against Toyota. He and his wife were almost killed in a defective Toyota in the early 90's. He however debunked the Prius accelerator issue pretty effectively. Pointing out that statistically these Prius accelerator issues have only happened to "older" people and pointing out that statistically Toyotas are pretty safe cars. He also raised serious concerns about this man's story and the sad job the press did in covering the story so far. An example being that it was initially reported that a CHP officer had to maneuver his car in front of the Prius to bring it to a halt. Never happened.

    Furthermore he pointed to Car & Driver Magazine which went out last year and tested four different Prius', while they were successful in getting the accelerator to stick in each case, they were also able to slow down and bring all four to a complete halt using the brakes.

    I'm trying to find a link to his website, which was mentioned on the show yet does not seem to exist on the net, nor is there a good link to the info on the Prager website. There was also supposed to be an article he wrote for the WSJ about this online, yet I can't find it either.

    I am all for waiting for all the facts to come in, but after listening to Ingrassia's common sense points and debunking and refuting most of what has been reported on the issue thus far, I'm starting to smell something fishy about this whole Pruis accelerator issue.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I have a question about these runaway cars...

    Is there no neutral on the gear shift?

    Does the ignition not shut off when they're in runaway mode?

    I had a '79 Chevy Caprice Station Wagon that would stick from time to time. You usually just shift into neutral, pull over, and shut off the engine.
    LOL.......... does the engine not shut off when you turn the key off?

    Funny how all of this stuff comes to "light" now that Barry owns the car companies and they still aren't doing well.

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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Wait a minute........

    On Monday, James Sikes called 911 to report that he was behind the wheel of an out-of-control Toyota Prius going 94 mph on a freeway near San Diego. Twenty-three minutes later, a California Highway Patrol officer helped guide him to a stop, a rescue that was captured on videotape.
    He called 911 instead of turning off the key?

    He should have wrecked, it would improve the species.
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    Re: APNewsBreak: Probe questions runaway Prius story

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    LOL.......... does the engine not shut off when you turn the key off?

    Funny how all of this stuff comes to "light" now that Barry owns the car companies and they still aren't doing well.

    Damn those rice grinders.... they's takin' all our bidsness.
    So these 37 deaths over the years were faked to sell more Chevys?

    Toyota deaths reported to safety database rise to 37 - USATODAY.com


    These problems came to light long before Obama even won the election.
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