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    Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

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    Democratic leaders said Thursday that they were increasingly inclined to release a final health-care bill that could accomplish two of President Obama's top domestic priorities: guaranteeing coverage to 30 million uninsured Americans and vastly expanding federal aid for college students

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    Key Senate Democrats initially balked at combining the health-reform bill with a measure that overhauls the nation's student-loan program, but on Thursday they had warmed to the idea.
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    The deal would bundle the bill into an expedited budget package along with the Democratic health care legislation, which would allow for both measures to be passed by the Senate on a simple majority vote. Without the deal, the student loan bill would have been unlikely to pass because it lacked the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.

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    House Democrats predicted that packaging the two proposals in an expedited budget reconciliation bill would help them secure the needed votes on health care because the financial aid bill is popular. In September, the House adopted that bill, the Student Aid and Fiscal Responsibility Act, by a vote of 253 to 171.
    What the **** is this bull****? Not only is the idea facially absurd, they're even contradicting themselves about the rationale. First they say that without lumping the student loans in with health care, the student loans wouldn't get past the filibuster, but then they say that lumping them together will help health care because the student loan bill is popular.

    Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation for why these two bills need to be lumped together and shoved through as one reconciliation project?
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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

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    What the **** is this bull****?
    It's dem bull****.
    They are desperate to accomplish something-- anything.
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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    So basically what are great leaders are telling us is that they cant get enough people to agree to vote for thier bill so instead of making a better bill or deciding that this is not something the PEOPLE want they will just find a way to pass thier bill with less votes. This sure seems very dishonest and underhanded. It sure dosent give me a warm fuzzy feeling about the future of this country. Our leaders want something that they cant get the votes for. No problem they will just slip it in the back door. Why not
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    Let them, women and blacks will be hurt the most. I hope these two groups vote every Democrat out of office, so we have only Republicans left.
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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    washingtonpost.com



    The NYT has more details:



    What the **** is this bull****? Not only is the idea facially absurd, they're even contradicting themselves about the rationale. First they say that without lumping the student loans in with health care, the student loans wouldn't get past the filibuster, but then they say that lumping them together will help health care because the student loan bill is popular.

    Can anyone offer a reasonable explanation for why these two bills need to be lumped together and shoved through as one reconciliation project?
    Lame Senate tactics from the Democrats used to get past lame Senate tactics used by the Republicans.

    This is an outrage.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Lame Senate tactics from the Democrats used to get past lame Senate tactics used by the Republicans.

    This is an outrage.
    You're equating this tactic to a filibuster?

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    Hell, throw cap and trade in there. Amnesty, too. Gun control. Outlaw conservatism.

    These communist dirtbags are flat pissing me off.

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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Hell, throw cap and trade in there. Amnesty, too. Gun control. Outlaw conservatism.

    These communist dirtbags are flat pissing me off.
    This sort of attitude is why we can't even discuss things anymore. "Communist dirtbags."

    A mandate to buy health insurance from private companies is not communism.

    Conservatives are impossible to talk to because they don't live in the real world anymore.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    What the Democrats want to do simply disgusts me. These morons want to dishonestly sneak in their unpopular healthcare bill into another bill. This just shows their all about pushing their own ideology and not what is best for the country. To my knowledge the Republicans haven't done anything as shallow or disturbing as this, and regardless we need to live in the present and not look to the past to excuse bad behavior. I hope 2010 gives the Democrat party a thrashing. Congress is in the greatest need for healthcare reform, it is way over do for a democratically decided moronectomy.

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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    What the Democrats want to do simply disgusts me. These morons want to dishonestly sneak in their unpopular healthcare bill into another bill. This just shows their all about pushing their own ideology and not what is best for the country. To my knowledge the Republicans haven't done anything as shallow or disturbing as this, and regardless we need to live in the present and not look to the past to excuse bad behavior. I hope 2010 gives the Democrat party a thrashing. Congress is in the greatest need for healthcare reform, it is way over do for a democratically decided moronectomy.
    You don't think the bold line there has anything to do with your own personal slant, maybe?


    Unpopular does not make something inherently bad. Hypothetical: You have a bill you believe will help your constituents, but they are dead set against it. Is your duty to enact it, or NOT enact it?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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