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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think you're wildly underestimating the Dems. Both sides are quite good at politics - the idea that the Dems are somehow surprised by the Reps actions or that they're being unwillingly forced to resort to this last-ditch effort doesn't really give them much credit.

    Again, if you think that the dems spent the past year making every effort in good faith to bring the Reps in, only to be burned repeatedly and finally forced into taking this drastic action, then I think you're far more trusting in imagery than I am.
    It's likely that they suspected this would happen. But you have to try... or at least pretend to try.
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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You don't think the bold line there has anything to do with your own personal slant, maybe?


    Unpopular does not make something inherently bad. Hypothetical: You have a bill you believe will help your constituents, but they are dead set against it. Is your duty to enact it, or NOT enact it?
    Beings these Congress Critters are our employees, they are obligated to do what we want them to do, not what, in their infinite wisdom they want to do..... or be fired.

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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's likely that they suspected this would happen. But you have to try... or at least pretend to try.
    You got that right........ pretend to try.....

    Of course you completely over look the fact that for the last year the Dems could have passed this without one Republican voting for it. Ever wonder why they didn't? Or I should say, couldn't.
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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Beings these Congress Critters are our employees, they are obligated to do what we want them to do, not what, in their infinite wisdom they want to do..... or be fired.

    I think we need a recall process for Congress.
    I guess you and I disagree on the fundamental concept of representation. If the founding fathers wanted the system you describe, they would have set up a direct democracy. Why have Senators when you can just have the people vote for bills directly?

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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I think you're wildly underestimating the Dems. Both sides are quite good at politics - the idea that the Dems are somehow surprised by the Reps actions or that they're being unwillingly forced to resort to this last-ditch effort doesn't really give them much credit.

    Again, if you think that the dems spent the past year making every effort in good faith to bring the Reps in, only to be burned repeatedly and finally forced into taking this drastic action, then I think you're far more trusting in imagery than I am.
    And yet the Democrats had everything to gain from including Republicans and Republicans had everything to lose from being included.

    If the Democrats (more specifically Obama) include Republicans, then they are the charismatic heroes who ended America's partisanship, just as promised. Pleases the moderates and independents to no end, making Obama and the Democrats look good to whoever they can possibly look good to.

    If the Republicans join Democrats, they upset a base already angry over Republicans "not being conservative enough", perceptually speaking. George Bush might not have been a conservative favorite, but it wasn't that he was confrontational and generally non-partisan that was the right's issue with his presidency; no significant conservative figure argued George Bush didn't do enough to please the liberals.

    The only way the Republicans would have joined the Democrats is if the bill more or less conformed to Republican specifications, allowing the party to argue they brought down the majority party's "evil plans" from within while at the same time saving America's health care system in a "fiscally responsible" and "properly conservative" manner. The Democrats wouldn't go that far, enabling the Republican Party to comfortably and unequivocally reject any overture.
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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Of course you completely over look the fact that for the last year the Dems could have passed this without one Republican voting for it. Ever wonder why they didn't? Or I should say, couldn't.
    Notice how this question gets asked again and again in thread after thread......without a response? LOL

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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Notice how this question gets asked again and again in thread after thread......without a response? LOL
    The current bill is a result of a long process of debate and "give-and-take" politics. It didn't settle into a definite form until recently, and even now it is still subject to new provisions. So, they couldn't have passed "this" bill -- the bill in its current form is the result of accumulated effort through several phases of discussion. Furthermore, any sufficiently comprehensive reform requires a long process of debating and "giving-and-taking", so an extended time frame is not inappropriate.

    A prolonged process was the more desirable method.
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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    here's the best place to put this

    altho it's an EARTH SHATTERING development, it doesn't qualify as breaking news

    Pelosi: 'Get The Bill. Go For It.'

    pelosi, monday, quote: "nobody wants to vote for the senate bill"

    that's it, there ya go

    she has to pass reid's rendition verbatim in order to qualify for reconciliation, ruled the parliamentarian last week

    if she changes a single dotted i, she has to go to conference

    NANCY HAS TO GET REID'S BILL THRU THE HOUSE AS IS, EXACTLY AS IS, else it's dead

    THE WHITE HOUSE YESTERDAY BACKED OFF IT'S PLEDGE TO PULL THE CORNHUSKER AND OTHER MISCREANT KICKBACKS

    FOXNews.com - Obama Drops Objections to Sweetheart Deals as House Moves to Craft Health Care Fixes

    which, who cares, you're not hearing me right

    THE REAL SIGNIFICANCE of axelrod's latest maneuver is---THOSE POISON PILLS ARE PARTS OF THE PIECE

    the white house really CAN'T remove them

    not now, not at this stage, there's no time

    can't do conference, and, so far as nuke option goes---"nobody wants to vote for the senate bill"

    they've already FORGOTTEN (as they always do, it's been more than a day, y'know) their BRILLIANT little gambit about the STUDENT LOANS that was sposed to be their solution

    "nobody wants to vote for the senate bill"

    ouch

    she's down to SLAUGHTER now

    they're that desperate

    sorry

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    Re: Democrats move toward grouping health reform with student-aid bill

    in addition, our poor palsied speakeress echoes the incoherencies of her boss

    altho the bill was originally conceived for ECONOMIC reasons, to reverse the cost trajectory, somehow it got all caught up in the pretty progressive promise to UNIVERSALIZE coverage

    we extend coverage to 31 million americans, she repeatedly pushes

    fine, ms p

    but that's NOT the original conceit

    you idiots up there in leadership, you really need to start getting your story straight

    no wonder obama's ENITRE AGENDA is dead and he is ALREADY IRRELEVENT

    don't blame me, don't blame boehner, don't blame mcconnell, don't blame rush, don't blame palin...

    blame it on BECK!

    LOL!

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